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good evening ladies and gentlemen

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welcome to the program I am your host

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Chris George at the Zuger and you have

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entered the den of four pull your chair

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up to the fire grab your glass of scotch

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because we're learning some coal ships

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my courtesy of none other than author

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and Kate art painting interpreter

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extraordinaire Bernie Taylor we're going

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to be discussing his new book before

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Orion finding the face of the hero as

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well as looking at the hero's journey

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and talking about - the origins of our

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civilization during the last ice age and

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welcome to the show once again I hope

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everyone had a fantastic week mine was

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chock-full of interesting times and

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adventures especially since so we just

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celcius down to minus 15 or 20 right now

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we're gonna be going down to minus 30

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tomorrow that's let's see an American

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that's 50 degrees down to minus 17 in

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the space of 24 hours yep things are fun

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here in Canada land but you know it's

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chill and again I'm gonna welcome to the

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program and he's been waiting patiently

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on screen is our guest for this evening

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mr. Bernie Taylor Bernie how are you

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doing tonight

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I'm doing great here Chris I'm in

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Portland Oregon we're not too far from

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the ocean and it's probably in the

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mid-50s sort of like Mediterranean well

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mid 50s even in the middle of January

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very similar to be see whether I no no I

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or take you know 700 to 1000 kilometers

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it's that Pacific water it brings in all

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of that fantastic tropical weather all

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the way up the west coast and I can't

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say that I'm not just a little bit

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jealous of your good fortune when we get

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this kind of weather in January usually

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means burst pipes you know damned

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rooves and a whole host of other

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flooding nightmares so I'm hoping that

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you get that continuing weather trend

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and you don't have to deal with the crap

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springtime when it comes to house

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repairs but we just don't have moderate

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winters but we have moderate summers as

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well the Pacific Ocean modulates the

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temperatures which makes conducive for

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Pinot Noir grapes which is famous for

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the part of Oregon you know it that I

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design clients they run a restaurant and

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they actually have some some wines from

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organ so it's or I should know it's not

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organ it's Washington and I believe it's

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actually pinot noir my interesting part

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I know that this is very much digressing

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from the subject matter we normally talk

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about on the show but I was very

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impressed with the Zinfandel that was

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coming out of Northern California back

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in 2013 2014 which I know is not

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necessarily in the area in California is

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a fairly large area but the West Coast

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is very good for wines it's why it's why

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good wines come out of BC and you know a

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lot of that can come down to the

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modulated weather but also the a lot of

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sediment that's in that area due to the

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volcanic ash that was well pretty well

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supervolcano which is right next door to

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you guys and the Missouri Flood that put

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a lot of the sediments into the soil

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some a lot of the soils and named after

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those that flood well the scablands

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those were created after the end of the

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last or at least a theory goes that they

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were created at the end of the last ice

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age due to a theoretical comet impact

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that and the subject matter we're

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talking about today is born out of that

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era or much earlier than the purported

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down and talked last you were talking

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about an age of roughly thirty three

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thousand years ago which is much earlier

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bring up oh how did you get this this

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dating and you know how did you want to

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be able to to to start bring us on this

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hero's journey and we're gonna start

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40,000 years ago oh man

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bring these up here let me now this is

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the beautiful part we haven't actually

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done this in the show in a while Bernie

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actually had prepared a slide

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presentation for today and it's been oh

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this is a big treat this is these are

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so please Bernie and I'm gonna duck out

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of this presentation you're not gonna

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see me see me they're in it for a bit so

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bone away the slides right hand we're

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we're going to start this presentation

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in the Paleolithic the program is titled

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and as as a warning label I'm gonna take

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you into the psychology of oolitic man

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so what did he feel and what do you

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to bring in a Tuareg riddle bottarga

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people of the Sahara greatest O'Hara and

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ever riddle how many hairs doesn't may

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kriste you can start wrote you know

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roaming through your head and take that

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hat off and you can you know it's a it's

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a question that's difficult to answer

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because all different now Bernie I hate

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to cut in but your your voice is cutting

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out a little bit RR is this better

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that's better thank you okay great

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and so that when asked us this question

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we're gonna go to Bilbao and the

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northern part part of Spain in the

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into the cave of Monte Castillo Monte

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Castillo is their pyramidal shaped and

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it holds the oldest cave art known to

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man or has recorded by man their dots

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one is dated about 40,000 years ago and

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the others dated the thirty seven

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thousand years ago and this was

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published in science and the major

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journals it was a chemical test and when

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they this was big news at the time

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because it became the oldest images of

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mankind and when they they wanted to

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release us to the press this image that

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you see before us didn't make a very

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good picture or eternity they just show

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you one dot or two and the next slide

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gives you the concept of what one dot

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might have looked like see those little

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stenciled hands it didn't make a very

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good story to the media so what they did

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what the disks a gallery of disks which

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dates to about thirty four thousand

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years ago using the same method and this

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this image or this this panel has been

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seen for more than a hundred years

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billions people saw this image in the

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popular scientific media as a result of

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the news stories that came out about

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that disc of 40,000 years ago this made

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a much better picture and this image was

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taken by the Spanish photographer Pedro

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it's about ten meters across this is a

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huge panel and there's been a lot of

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scientific research on this panel and

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they've counted the gist they've watched

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came up with it's a lot of disks but

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when we enter this we can think about it

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as a pail of parentis might have been he

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might have walked into the cave with his

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teacher and the teacher might have asked

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him the question similar to how many

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hairs does a man have is what do you see

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on this path and of course the practice

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the first thing is gonna start doing is

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counting read discs just as a scientist

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have done in modern times and they would

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probably come up to about apprentice

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Mike up to about 90 discs or so yeah

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teach might ask some little further what

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else do you see in the red disk

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he probably wouldn't have seen this

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image this is towards the down to the

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viewers bottom right of the gallery

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disks and you see it the teacher and his

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apprentice Exton to the wall and to the

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discs are the eyes of the apprentice

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which makes a spectacular scene now my

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guess is that the apprentice when he

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first went into that cave he didn't see

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this because he would have been in

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trance just like we we have been by

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staring at these these are disks and the

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story when we look at this we see

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teachers speaking here the apprentice

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he's telling him something perhaps he's

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telling his story there's one we think

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persons we told we passed on check

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generations what have been stores are

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seeing as well as a story

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look spectacular that image is on the on

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the shoulder the teacher is a golden

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eagle and you can see the the unmarked

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image to the viewers left and then the

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the cutout to the right of course now

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this this juvenile Eagle is about in the

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month of June I believe mid June based

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on the down on its on its side so it's a

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fledgling Eagle Eagle it hasn't flown

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yet and about the height from the

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shoulder to the top of a head now the

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artist captured this different way to

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give us two perspectives just like that

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the one is that half of the Eagle cuts

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the hairline of the teacher that makes

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his hair fine as what was his needs it's

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possible standing on your shoulder

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Bernie I I'm sorry to interrupt your

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voice is continuously cutting in and out

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is is there is there a for your

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microphone or are you close by or is

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there whether you can adjust it so was

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that try again okay

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and so the it's a spectacular image that

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we have this teacher on a shoulder is of

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okay dancers

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Joseph Campbell talked about this

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concept of the storytelling and he

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described it as the hero's journey and

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Campbell said that there's a is a core

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Beth this model that all cultures around

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the world tell it's the story of a

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person an individual that leaves a place

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of his home or her home an ordinary

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place just as Luke Skywalker leaves his

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home to go on a journey and he look Luke

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is looking for something exciting in the

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world and of course on that journey he

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has helpers he has obi-wan Kenobi even

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he has Yoda who guide him on his way and

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these these helpers we find them in the

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Lord of the Rings they're Gandalf in

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Harry Potter stories a multitude of

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characters that about Harry and in the

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west of Oz Dorothy has three helpers the

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Scarecrow Tin Man and a lion as well as

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a witch and on this journey people are

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tested they're given challenges both

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emotional challenges and Joseph Campbell

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drew much of his idea from the work of

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the psychology suici hydrous Carl Jung

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you had Laura London on some time back

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who talked a lot about young young had a

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dream early in his life and he was

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walking to a house it was a house of

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modern times as he walks down the

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hallway he finds that and the plasters

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coming off and that the plaster at that

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point is not of the house he entered but

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rather something more of ancient times

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the Greeks and the Romans he walks

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further down into the the hallway and he

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encounters that he's a ningke in a cave

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and he sees as a Paleolithic cave and in

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the stream he comes to a recognition

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that as we go deeper into our minds were

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going deeper into the Paleolithic we're

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going back to our original selves um

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after that experience young in a frenzy

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went through the mythological literature

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and he came to the same conclusion that

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Campbell ultimately did that there is

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this Monmouth there's this core story

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about

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a journey so this concept goes back in

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the literature much further than my work

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and in that story there is a actually in

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this in the model myths and in the

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dreams of Jung's patients he found that

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there was common themes in common places

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and one of the places was a mountain and

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another was a body of water and on the

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parentheses journey there's always this

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climb up the cosmic mountain just as

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Frodo climbs the mountain at the end of

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The Lord of the Rings and as I wrote it

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the initiate continues along the path

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smooth by thousands of feet that had

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carried half as many souls considering

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what had what may be found on the top of

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the cosmic mountain and of course around

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the El Castillo mountain or the mamantov

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whoa so we're gonna go back to this

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gallery of disks for a moment and take a

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look at what might be there

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can I look deeper into it we've seen

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that the teacher in the apprentice but

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what else might be there this might be a

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cultural time capsule as young had found

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in the minds of his patients and Joseph

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Campbell had surmised in the in the in

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the myths

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well it's towards the center of the

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panel there's an elephant this is an

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elephant with its ear down and its trunk

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down as if it's drinking or walking

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towards the drink water it's a

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fascinating image it's an African

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elephant based on the shape of the head

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they were straight tucked us elephants

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in Europe at a time they don't made a

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humped head so it's a different elephant

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and if we flip that if we flip it around

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90 degrees we find another elephant in

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the same image and this one has its its

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ear raised as well as its trunk as it's

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in distress we're finding two characters

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in a story a story of this elephant it's

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a fascinating image and the next image

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we can see them side-by-side to compare

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and there these are two African

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elephants and what we see in this is

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that there's no certainty when you look

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at a panel like this there's only what

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we recognize in the moment as

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perspective that may shift without focus

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to experience what had not been probable

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if not possible only moments earlier so

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we can this takes us back to the Touareg

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riddle that we can they can be multiple

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perspectives and we can go back to look

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at the Gower of disks on this image and

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we can see the elephant there in the

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middle with its raised trunk so this is

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an unmarked image and if we shift it 90

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degrees in our minds we can see the

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elephant with the trunk down so millions

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of people in the populace and scientific

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literature have seen this image and

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everybody missed the elephant the room

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and that's pretty important because how

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could we miss something that's so

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important that you have an African

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elephant

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in a European cave and if we go we

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continued looking down the paddle we can

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find a horse a speckled mayor and this

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is actually presents Keys course which

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is indigenous to Eurasia this was one of

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the original horses in Europe this was

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not an African horse which also gives us

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a point of a point of location in the

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story and behind that horse we find a

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what I described as the cosmic man we

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can see a man with a with his mask and

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he's one side the mask is on his viewers

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left side the mask is the beak of an

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eagle so the man has become an eagle on

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the right side the viewers right side

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you can see his eye he's holding an egg

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a fairly large egg and his his left arm

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has the the texture and the look of a

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wing this man has become a winged bird

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winged being a navy noid something like

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an angel and of course we can tell that

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this person is in fact a man and if we

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overlapped the cosmic man with this the

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horse the speckled mayor we have a

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cosmic rider so in this image the two

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beings have become one going back thirty

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four thousand years ago in this cave so

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there's a transformation in the minds of

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the Paleolithic artists there's multiple

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multiple perspectives that can be seen

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at the same time and to be considered

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and continuing down this path of

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multiple perspectives if we take the

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mask of the cosmic man and we rotate it

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up it's actually the face of the teacher

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so you can look at one of look at them

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side by side so going back to this

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concept there's there's never one truth

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there's always multiple perspectives and

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if someone's studying to be a shamanic

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or teach a spiritual teacher they're

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really and to lead the the clan they

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really don't need to understand that

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people are all different that everybody

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sees the world different and that was

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much the work of Carl Jung whereas the

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introverts that X

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the thinkers their feelers and so on

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which became the the Myers Brigg test

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that's fairly popular in the business

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world we can continue this road of

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transformation going down the paddle and

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we see a man which puts on a mask and

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he's put as he puts on that mask he

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becomes another being just as the cosmic

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man puts on the mask of the Golden Eagle

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to become the Golden Eagle so people

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believed in that time that one could

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transcend one could be something else

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one could be another being when they put

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on such a mask and in the tradition of

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the Egyptians Horus is the the falcon

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who is a an intermediary between heaven

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and earth perhaps that tradition came

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from or distant in time from the

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paleolithic and that trend transition is

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fairly common about around

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hunter-gatherers around the world where

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as the spiritual leader puts on a birds

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mask to communicate with the great

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beyond if we continued looking down this

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pattern we see more images and this one

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is is of a a mother Iberian lynx which

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is of course indigenous to Spain and her

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kitten it's a fascinating image and when

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I when I first start on this project I

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communicated with someone from my

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distant past who I met when I lived in

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China in my early 20s was more than 30

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years ago and his name was George shower

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and George shower at the time was one of

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the most foremost wildlife biologists in

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the world and I contacted George and I

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started asking them questions I ask them

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the questions about what kind of

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elephant this is and some of the other

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animals and we played with this one as

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well and George identified this as an

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Iberian lynx and George's he is as I

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said the world

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he's consider the world's foremost

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wildlife biologist he was the mentor of

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Jane Goodall and many others but what's

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uh what's interesting is that when I

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would ask George George the questions he

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just didn't give me taxonomic details

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but in this case he talked about the the

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emotional moment of the of this links

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and you can see that the kitten is

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pushed up against the chin of their

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mother cat so the the

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artists had a sense of empathy empathy

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that the artists understood that these

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were not just wild animals that these

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were emotional beings and you know

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looking you know Jane Goodall carried on

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that tradition in her work and Jane says

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that we should be kind to animals

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because it makes better humans of us all

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and as we continue down the panel we're

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going to see more beings in this case

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we're gonna see it's either a spinning

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top bottle of dolphin or its multiple

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bottlenose dolphins and I looked at this

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one for over a year when I was working

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on the project and I saw them saw the

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mouth and I saw the eye and I just

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couldn't figure it out because it wasn't

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it didn't suit any land animals but as

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my mind expanded and I realized that

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well maybe this person's traveling maybe

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there's a journey involved that journey

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that Luke Skywalker kicks takes a course

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space perhaps the same journey that this

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apprentice is taking across an ocean

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body and hence he becomes he meets a he

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meets the the dolphin he encounters the

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dolphin but this one was really a

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struggle at first to recognize because I

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my mind was stuck on the stuck on this

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concept that everything had to be

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something that was an appellative image

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already and so when we can go back to

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the image you you can look you can see

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that the shape of the form of the

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dolphin or dolphins in this image in the

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base image you can see the bottlenose it

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sticks out you can see the the different

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the different fins and it's a

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fascinating it's a fascinating journey

542
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:44,200
that we're taking if we go to further

543
00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:45,520
down the panel Weesa find a

544
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:48,580
Mediterranean monk seal so the artist on

545
00:24:53,730 --> 00:24:50,770
this huge 10 meter panel is creating

546
00:24:55,650 --> 00:24:53,740
life side life-size animal beings that

547
00:24:58,980 --> 00:24:55,660
overlap with each other they overlap

548
00:25:01,260 --> 00:24:58,990
body parts and this one is telling us

549
00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:01,270
again that there's a body of order it's

550
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:03,700
that the artist the the artist is

551
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:05,170
telling us that there's a journey that

552
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:08,170
travel that started in Spain where we

553
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,210
find the iberian lengths and travels

554
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:12,400
across the water

555
00:25:22,110 --> 00:25:15,610
and if there's a travel across water one

556
00:25:26,340 --> 00:25:22,120
would expect a swimmer and we have a

557
00:25:29,549 --> 00:25:26,350
swimmer he's he's up by the up by the

558
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:29,559
elephant and he he has he has two lower

559
00:25:33,810 --> 00:25:31,809
arms he's doing freestyle crawl type of

560
00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:33,820
swim and his head is bobbing up and down

561
00:25:38,250 --> 00:25:35,830
I looked at this for a long time and

562
00:25:40,650 --> 00:25:38,260
probably for the first year I saw the

563
00:25:43,710 --> 00:25:40,660
person I saw that his movement and I

564
00:25:45,570 --> 00:25:43,720
thought that he was he was climbing

565
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:45,580
because he had that motion of kind of

566
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,290
going up and down and then ultimately I

567
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,840
realized that in conjunction with the

568
00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:52,240
animals that are around him particularly

569
00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:55,150
the dolphin this person is swimming and

570
00:25:59,040 --> 00:25:57,160
he becomes our first hero he's taken

571
00:26:02,040 --> 00:25:59,050
that that journey across water the

572
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:02,050
journey into the beyond to the place of

573
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:05,410
our imagination and his name was tripod

574
00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:09,010
his name was tripod yeah and he's got

575
00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:12,070
he's got big strong shoulders and I was

576
00:26:18,090 --> 00:26:15,100
gonna go there's something I'm sorry

577
00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:18,100
it's a very good and if I believe that

578
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:20,980
the journey of The Apprentice it's just

579
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,110
like the journey of Luke Skywalker is

580
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,320
that it's not just trying to figure out

581
00:26:29,130 --> 00:26:28,000
the details and how to get along with

582
00:26:30,930 --> 00:26:29,140
others and all these sort of things but

583
00:26:32,940 --> 00:26:30,940
they were jokes and they were riddles

584
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:32,950
just just as this riddle the hairs and

585
00:26:37,410 --> 00:26:35,050
there's there's something deep inside of

586
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,420
us that draws us across water into the

587
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:40,000
own unknown whether it be a lake river

588
00:26:44,610 --> 00:26:41,650
or beyond the horizon of the Big Blue

589
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:44,620
the force that brings us to face our

590
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:46,510
deaths on the this water crossing

591
00:26:51,180 --> 00:26:48,490
undeniably resides in the deepest

592
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:51,190
well-being we know we we have this story

593
00:26:57,870 --> 00:26:55,210
from Jobe who's in the in the the belly

594
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,880
of the big fish Odysseus travels around

595
00:27:02,370 --> 00:26:59,679
the ocean and in the end

596
00:27:04,740 --> 00:27:02,380
Odysseus at the end of his journey he

597
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:04,750
takes an overnight he's kidnapped

598
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,370
overnight and sent on the ship he goes

599
00:27:09,180 --> 00:27:07,840
back home so after 10 years have

600
00:27:11,130 --> 00:27:09,190
wandered around the Mediterranean he

601
00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:11,140
seems to get back in one night as if in

602
00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:14,230
a dream and this this journey across

603
00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:16,750
water is also found in the dreams of

604
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:19,780
Jung's patients as well in the myths of

605
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:22,000
Campbell and you can substitute this the

606
00:27:28,510 --> 00:27:25,670
body of water for for space

607
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:28,520
or over the rainbow however you find it

608
00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:31,370
and as we continued on his panel we find

609
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:34,760
more quirk characters in this case we

610
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:38,210
find an another hero again he's draped

611
00:27:41,890 --> 00:27:40,190
in a red pellet as if he's killed a lion

612
00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:41,900
of some sort

613
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:44,540
that wraps around his neck and he holds

614
00:27:53,169 --> 00:27:50,480
a big club and perhaps if you put the

615
00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:53,179
two together you put the the dolphin and

616
00:27:57,340 --> 00:27:54,950
the man together as the paler this

617
00:28:01,810 --> 00:27:57,350
artist might have seen it the Dolphins

618
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:01,820
are lifting up the red haired man which

619
00:28:06,909 --> 00:28:03,770
is the fascinating scene if people had

620
00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:06,919
seen this in later times they would have

621
00:28:10,930 --> 00:28:08,740
come up with a story about how the

622
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:10,940
dolphin lifted the man above the water

623
00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:13,010
how are you carried him across the seas

624
00:28:17,380 --> 00:28:14,870
and I believe that the ancient Greeks

625
00:28:19,419 --> 00:28:17,390
Romans Phoenicians and others and even

626
00:28:22,539 --> 00:28:19,429
the Egyptians had been to this cave and

627
00:28:24,610 --> 00:28:22,549
that they they took they saw the

628
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:24,620
characters as we're seeing them now and

629
00:28:30,299 --> 00:28:27,290
they created new stories then the

630
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,309
palette of artists had had envisioned

631
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:32,720
but they found fundamental characters

632
00:28:39,850 --> 00:28:36,799
the hero on his journey and empathy of

633
00:28:43,659 --> 00:28:39,860
the animal beings we go down a little

634
00:28:47,409 --> 00:28:43,669
further down a camel down the panel we

635
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:47,419
find the giraffes and my in my George

636
00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:48,710
and I we went back and forth about

637
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:50,600
whether he was swimming across the

638
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:52,490
Strait of Gibraltar go into Africa and

639
00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:54,710
whether you know what was that was the

640
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:56,270
elephant really an African elephant it

641
00:29:01,120 --> 00:28:57,770
kind of looked like it but maybe the

642
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,130
artist didn't realized it was supposed

643
00:29:06,190 --> 00:29:03,520
to have a hump as a European elephant

644
00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:06,200
you know there were a few characters we

645
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:08,150
kind of scratched a head about but then

646
00:29:12,220 --> 00:29:10,610
we came to the giraffe and this two

647
00:29:14,830 --> 00:29:12,230
giraffes as a mother draft and a

648
00:29:17,770 --> 00:29:14,840
juvenile which wraps its head or its

649
00:29:20,049 --> 00:29:17,780
neck and around and under the mothers um

650
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:20,059
it's a touching scene as George pointed

651
00:29:24,490 --> 00:29:22,490
out to me and the artist uses those red

652
00:29:27,340 --> 00:29:24,500
disks to create the molted pattern on

653
00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:27,350
the neck of the mother giraffe again

654
00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:31,190
it's that touching scene of empathy this

655
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:33,740
is seen that one can't describe to

656
00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:35,690
somebody else to create an image of

657
00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:38,870
someone that had to seen that's wrath

658
00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:41,350
that image becomes the first

659
00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:44,360
archaeological evidence that man had

660
00:29:50,140 --> 00:29:48,590
traveled between Europe and Africa we

661
00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:50,150
have absolutely no other evidence

662
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:52,180
everything else is drawn based on DNA

663
00:29:57,490 --> 00:29:55,490
and the truth there were no drafts in in

664
00:30:00,910 --> 00:29:57,500
Europe during that time period you know

665
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:00,920
millions of years earlier there were and

666
00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:03,890
we're gonna travel to continue just

667
00:30:08,860 --> 00:30:05,660
above the giraffe is the barbary macaque

668
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:08,870
and most people know the barbary macaque

669
00:30:12,730 --> 00:30:10,610
from the James Bond movie The Living

670
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,740
Daylights with Pierce Brosnan and in the

671
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:14,960
beginning of the movie you know one of

672
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:16,610
the one of the good double O's is is

673
00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:20,110
taken out by somebody at your altar and

674
00:30:26,290 --> 00:30:24,800
Pierce Brosnan Brosnan races to go find

675
00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:26,300
the killer and he's driving his car down

676
00:30:29,410 --> 00:30:27,590
the hill the barbering macaws are

677
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:29,420
jumping on the windshield and bouncing

678
00:30:35,020 --> 00:30:32,330
off and so people you know we identify

679
00:30:37,299 --> 00:30:35,030
the barbary macaque as a Gibraltar

680
00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:37,309
animal but in fact the macaw has only

681
00:30:40,990 --> 00:30:38,900
been there a few hundred years it's

682
00:30:42,790 --> 00:30:41,000
indigenous to the Atlas Mountains of

683
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:42,800
Western North Africa and George

684
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:44,450
identified the barbaric where you can

685
00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:45,710
actually see this barbaric eye it's

686
00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:48,350
actually was the palliative artists

687
00:30:54,340 --> 00:30:51,340
created the this the exact same

688
00:30:57,010 --> 00:30:54,350
expressions and body movements of a

689
00:30:59,260 --> 00:30:57,020
barber come the the one in the in the

690
00:31:01,919 --> 00:30:59,270
pelleted image looks just like one

691
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:01,929
that's sitting in Gibraltar today and

692
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:04,880
and George George said it was a

693
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:07,450
definitely barber car based on that wide

694
00:31:18,610 --> 00:31:13,480
rear which is not common to any other

695
00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:18,620
ape and now here we go to the lion and

696
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:19,940
lioness which is actually the first

697
00:31:24,730 --> 00:31:22,610
image that I brought up to George or

698
00:31:26,830 --> 00:31:24,740
maybe the second because George is um

699
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:26,840
he's a what he's a big cat guy

700
00:31:31,210 --> 00:31:29,480
he still is and during our conversations

701
00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:31,220
and going back at our email

702
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:33,140
conversations he would disappear off

703
00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:36,110
into Afghanistan to look at cheetahs and

704
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,880
a month later he touched back and give

705
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:38,960
me an answer on something that I've been

706
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:41,030
waiting on in this case we have two

707
00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:44,450
lines we have the male lion at the top

708
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:47,540
with that big main and he's crouched

709
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:49,700
he's crouched with a long body then the

710
00:31:52,690 --> 00:31:52,010
female lioness has that blockhead is

711
00:31:55,030 --> 00:31:52,700
coming up to

712
00:31:57,340 --> 00:31:55,040
his head lick his face now what's unique

713
00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:57,350
about this is there there work eight

714
00:32:02,350 --> 00:31:59,480
there were lions in in Europe at the

715
00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:02,360
time but they didn't have means which

716
00:32:10,990 --> 00:32:05,990
was entirely a African phenomenon and

717
00:32:13,270 --> 00:32:11,000
still as today now where were these like

718
00:32:17,050 --> 00:32:13,280
the the discs were were obviously

719
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:17,060
painted on were these drawings carved or

720
00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:19,310
are these completely natural formations

721
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,740
that are being interpreted or were

722
00:32:26,050 --> 00:32:23,360
interpreted by these shamans and

723
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,060
presented to the you know to the

724
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:28,880
initiatives good question so there's

725
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:32,960
there's a the there were natural

726
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:36,050
formations on the panel itself that the

727
00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:41,450
artists then saw in so maybe they saw

728
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:43,580
the shape of a horse and then enhance

729
00:32:49,030 --> 00:32:46,250
that they added the red they added the

730
00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:49,040
black they scraped off layers of organic

731
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:51,470
matter or kept layers of organic matter

732
00:32:58,150 --> 00:32:56,090
to keep the to make it look more like

733
00:33:01,510 --> 00:32:58,160
what they wanted to it but that's a

734
00:33:03,250 --> 00:33:01,520
really good question so this so some

735
00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:03,260
people would look at these image and in

736
00:33:06,850 --> 00:33:05,270
any cave image just say you know maybe

737
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:06,860
we're just making it up sort of like the

738
00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:09,010
the man on them on what the face on Mars

739
00:33:14,050 --> 00:33:11,180
some people believe that face on Mars

740
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:14,060
and well you could look at any K panel

741
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:15,530
you can say okay I can see this and I

742
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:17,210
can see that but you're not going to see

743
00:33:24,850 --> 00:33:20,510
this array of animals with all the

744
00:33:27,610 --> 00:33:24,860
taxonomic details which is you know so

745
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:27,620
this was created by the people and if we

746
00:33:30,670 --> 00:33:29,210
go to the top of the panel gonna find a

747
00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:30,680
few more animals we're gonna find bears

748
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:34,220
and the the artists used the the natural

749
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:36,770
dark part at the top of the top of the

750
00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:39,530
panel to form his bears and you see a

751
00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:42,980
mother bear and her - probably yearling

752
00:33:46,420 --> 00:33:44,300
based on the shape of the heads like

753
00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:46,430
conical heads they're probably yearling

754
00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:50,870
Cubs so the artist not not only captured

755
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:53,960
a sort of this geography of the animals

756
00:34:02,580 --> 00:33:58,570
but the artists also found the the the

757
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:02,590
he the artists utilize the natural

758
00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:05,600
features of the rock to create his

759
00:34:10,030 --> 00:34:06,470
characters

760
00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:10,040
which goes back to what you were you

761
00:34:13,629 --> 00:34:12,020
were asking and here's another good

762
00:34:15,819 --> 00:34:13,639
example of that as well we find a

763
00:34:18,849 --> 00:34:15,829
striped reptile and in this case the

764
00:34:21,399 --> 00:34:18,859
artist uses the red discs to create a

765
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,409
that either Multiverse striped pattern

766
00:34:27,099 --> 00:34:23,839
on the lizard or whatever the reptile is

767
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:27,109
like we can't identify based on the the

768
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,310
taxonomy of this animal being but again

769
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:33,919
the artists use natural features

770
00:34:42,309 --> 00:34:36,889
enhanced enhanced the the rock face and

771
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:42,319
then put put things on top of it and he

772
00:34:47,950 --> 00:34:45,050
uses red throughout the the panel in

773
00:34:49,930 --> 00:34:47,960
this case we find the oldest female

774
00:34:52,569 --> 00:34:49,940
effigy at thirty four thousand years old

775
00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:52,579
and she has braided red hair if you

776
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:54,889
remember earlier the the man with the

777
00:35:00,579 --> 00:34:58,640
big club had red hair as well and so

778
00:35:02,819 --> 00:35:00,589
there's a there's some sort of tradition

779
00:35:06,309 --> 00:35:02,829
whether it be natural red hair or

780
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:06,319
putting red into people's hair for some

781
00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:08,510
symbolic value and she's really

782
00:35:11,890 --> 00:35:10,220
interesting because you can look at her

783
00:35:13,690 --> 00:35:11,900
facial expressions you can learn a lot

784
00:35:16,030 --> 00:35:13,700
about her she's kind of grimacing she's

785
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:16,040
a little bit worried perhaps you can see

786
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:17,690
that she's young because she has a full

787
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:20,450
chin and she has these strong chin and

788
00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:23,510
these full these these faux her breasts

789
00:35:27,609 --> 00:35:25,550
are full and she has strong cheekbones

790
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,619
and you can see kind of a but you can

791
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,119
see kind of will worried look about her

792
00:35:34,089 --> 00:35:31,520
which may be telling us what's going on

793
00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:34,099
in this story we have this man who swims

794
00:35:39,010 --> 00:35:36,470
across the body of water and he's

795
00:35:41,410 --> 00:35:39,020
encountering different animal beings he

796
00:35:44,170 --> 00:35:41,420
and there's this woman who's has this

797
00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:44,180
this worried look so perhaps that's

798
00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:46,550
something that's part of the story and

799
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,030
she is the oldest female that we have by

800
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:52,880
about ten thousand years I know now

801
00:35:58,450 --> 00:35:55,010
obviously these these paintings would

802
00:36:00,849 --> 00:35:58,460
have been would have been done by more

803
00:36:03,579 --> 00:36:00,859
of an and adept or a shaman within the

804
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:03,589
tribe and you know during that time it's

805
00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:06,530
like is it possible or is there any

806
00:36:11,650 --> 00:36:10,220
indication that and again I'm going to

807
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:11,660
use the dental or language that these

808
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:14,690
people were high as as as effing kites

809
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:19,040
on some type of cyclamen or

810
00:36:26,830 --> 00:36:22,810
some other type of plant that may have

811
00:36:30,220 --> 00:36:26,840
provided more of a abstract style to the

812
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:30,230
art well I'm not sure if there's an so

813
00:36:35,350 --> 00:36:31,520
I'm not sure if there's actually an

814
00:36:38,290 --> 00:36:35,360
abstract style as people find with the

815
00:36:40,450 --> 00:36:38,300
app that artists in the Amazon because

816
00:36:42,430 --> 00:36:40,460
we're seeing and that the next slide is

817
00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:42,440
gonna answer your question because we're

818
00:36:49,630 --> 00:36:44,870
seeing a little more detail than people

819
00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:49,640
find in through closing Jetix substances

820
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:51,950
and the next slide is real is really the

821
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,330
one that answers that question

822
00:36:59,650 --> 00:36:56,240
so when people do these psychedelic

823
00:37:03,550 --> 00:36:59,660
drugs and they they they paint or they

824
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:03,560
draw or they sing what they see okay and

825
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,450
it's something that's their reality in

826
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:08,000
that moment but it's not a reality of

827
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,250
all time it's their own personal

828
00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:12,560
experience and we're gonna we're gonna

829
00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:14,660
go to the next slide which really tells

830
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:17,390
us what's kind of puts this part of the

831
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:20,480
story together okay and we're gonna let

832
00:37:24,250 --> 00:37:22,610
you just well in this a moment dwell on

833
00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:24,260
at the moment and I'm gonna kind of read

834
00:37:28,270 --> 00:37:26,840
these off as we go so we're going to

835
00:37:30,070 --> 00:37:28,280
learn now that this was not a

836
00:37:33,940 --> 00:37:30,080
hallucinogen experience and this was not

837
00:37:35,830 --> 00:37:33,950
a these are not at random if we start

838
00:37:39,580 --> 00:37:35,840
we're going to go to the the dark image

839
00:37:41,230 --> 00:37:39,590
to the top right and a is the

840
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:41,240
constellation Hercules well though

841
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:44,960
Hercules is B which is Agia the Eagle C

842
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:51,440
is Pegasus the horse E is Pisces which

843
00:37:57,540 --> 00:37:54,800
we found is the dolphin F is C this the

844
00:38:00,880 --> 00:37:57,550
sea monster which became the seal G is

845
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:00,890
Perseus which became the body of the

846
00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:04,130
elephant going down to the low frame we

847
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:06,350
have h which is Agia which is arooga

848
00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:08,660
which is that the ER and the head of the

849
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,000
elephant eye is taurus which looks like

850
00:38:15,580 --> 00:38:13,760
the the trunk of the elephant J is Lynx

851
00:38:18,580 --> 00:38:15,590
which is the either body of the links

852
00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:18,590
that we saw or it becomes the trunk of

853
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:21,550
the elephant from a kind of a ninety

854
00:38:28,690 --> 00:38:26,240
perspective K is Ursa Major and you can

855
00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:28,700
kind of look at Ursa Major the

856
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:31,160
constellation the area where you have

857
00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:32,810
that K looks like the mother

858
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:36,070
the mother bear and those and the two

859
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:40,010
conical shapes looks like the shapes of

860
00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:43,370
the two juvenile cups L becomes Leo the

861
00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:47,950
Lion M is is Gemini which is either the

862
00:38:56,380 --> 00:38:53,360
that that cylindrical shape of the the

863
00:38:57,850 --> 00:38:56,390
lioness or the two eyes because the

864
00:39:02,440 --> 00:38:57,860
Barbary macaques are in the same place

865
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:02,450
and then n becomes is a Ryan and in the

866
00:39:09,940 --> 00:39:06,320
night sky at that time Hercules was on

867
00:39:12,190 --> 00:39:09,950
one was on the north end and Orion was

868
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:12,200
on the south and on this end of that we

869
00:39:17,260 --> 00:39:14,510
saw Orion we also found that the barbary

870
00:39:19,150 --> 00:39:17,270
macaque we found the lion the lioness

871
00:39:21,550 --> 00:39:19,160
and we found the giraffe so that's the

872
00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:21,560
sort to the south we found the iberian

873
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:23,240
lynx to the north where we found the

874
00:39:29,850 --> 00:39:26,090
cosmic man as we found the the eagle and

875
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:29,860
the presencia ciske horse which is a

876
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:34,880
indigenous to to Eurasia and so this the

877
00:39:39,940 --> 00:39:37,370
pillar that artists had a skiing to this

878
00:39:44,530 --> 00:39:39,950
he's telling a story a story that's not

879
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,540
just on land of a journey but it's a

880
00:39:48,270 --> 00:39:46,880
story that's in the night sky and that

881
00:39:51,310 --> 00:39:48,280
travels through the seasons and the

882
00:39:53,110 --> 00:39:51,320
initiate apprentice I believe took this

883
00:39:55,690 --> 00:39:53,120
journey he took this journey to Western

884
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:55,700
North Africa and as he traveled he saw

885
00:40:02,350 --> 00:39:58,370
these different animals as he moved

886
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:02,360
along and these animals told him a lot

887
00:40:09,970 --> 00:40:06,650
about himself and he learned about the

888
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:09,980
nurturing giraffe and and the protective

889
00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:12,230
draught with with the with the juvenile

890
00:40:17,710 --> 00:40:15,160
and how the the iberian lynx

891
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:17,720
you know the the kitten knows was up to

892
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:23,450
the cats rough under the chin so the the

893
00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:25,850
apprentice learned about himself all

894
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:28,520
these experiences and you kind of think

895
00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:30,290
about the first star was movie look goes

896
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:32,180
into that that bar and I can't remember

897
00:40:35,230 --> 00:40:33,890
the bar and there's all these like wild

898
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:35,240
creatures it's the first time we see

899
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:36,770
something like that in movies and the

900
00:40:42,370 --> 00:40:39,290
plain fun music and but they're really

901
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:42,380
wacky um well that's the same thing that

902
00:40:47,060 --> 00:40:43,910
this pillar the apprentice would have

903
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:47,070
had as he traveled into western North

904
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:48,990
he would have seen this wide range of

905
00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:51,000
animals that he'd never seen before but

906
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:51,990
he also would have seen them in the

907
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:54,510
night sky and then Hermetic tradition so

908
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:56,130
above above so below

909
00:41:00,560 --> 00:40:58,650
this is exactly what's going on and we

910
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:00,570
kind of do this today the United States

911
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,250
is of course the the land of the Eagle

912
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:05,040
to free and the brave Russia is the bear

913
00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:07,050
and you can go around your state you can

914
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,670
find some sort of animal and these are

915
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:10,380
typically animals that are indigenous to

916
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:13,290
that place and one in the in the

917
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:15,750
palliative mind they just didn't see

918
00:41:24,530 --> 00:41:19,440
them on land and in the myths they saw

919
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:24,540
them in the in the night skies and we're

920
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:26,460
gonna we're gonna do one more slide then

921
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:28,110
we're going to pop off slides for a

922
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:29,490
minute and just kind of chat and catch

923
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:32,730
up on you know what we're doing and in

924
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:35,490
this slide I write that myths are passed

925
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,260
through through the seasons of the night

926
00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:39,680
sky that's constellations and stars

927
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:42,470
projecting man psyche into the cosmos

928
00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:44,550
characters that are light years from

929
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:46,980
Earth but still within the grasp of the

930
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:49,320
human imagination so we're going to take

931
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:51,450
a break now from the slides and Bernie's

932
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:54,180
going to jump in and I'm sure the slides

933
00:41:58,220 --> 00:41:56,040
were more interesting than me

934
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:58,230
but this might be a good time to just

935
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:00,300
chat I don't know I'm just gonna try and

936
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:01,710
see if I got to bring this on here

937
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,300
there we go split screen okay so Bernie

938
00:42:10,810 --> 00:42:08,280
I have to say well at first two things

939
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:10,820
and like when you and I were discussing

940
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,560
the the book beforehand and you said

941
00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:15,359
okay well let's see if we can get Alex

942
00:42:21,490 --> 00:42:18,060
in here and I know Alex he well it's

943
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:21,500
it's wintertime and and with he's

944
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:23,970
extremely busy I know that you wanted to

945
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:25,050
make sure that he would be able to take

946
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:26,730
the journey so I said okay well you know

947
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:27,960
I'm gonna stop reading the book because

948
00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:28,890
I want to make sure that at least you

949
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:31,470
got somebody going in fresh because you

950
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:32,910
said the full impact happens when you

951
00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:34,320
actually go through the journey with you

952
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:35,550
the first thing I have to say is holy

953
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:39,960
crap and the second one there is still

954
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:42,270
that rational questioning part of my

955
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:47,010
mind that has to say okay well and I'm

956
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:48,570
also thinking from from a skeptics

957
00:42:57,340 --> 00:42:50,450
standpoint because you have to nowadays

958
00:43:00,560 --> 00:42:57,350
sure what what really makes its

959
00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:00,570
apparent that these drawings were there

960
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:02,790
is it is it possible that this is not

961
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:06,750
some type of you know pattern isset II

962
00:43:14,770 --> 00:43:11,160
or Apple take take a shot ladies and

963
00:43:18,260 --> 00:43:14,780
gentlemen apatheia apophenia apophenia

964
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:18,270
the trying to see order and patterns in

965
00:43:23,830 --> 00:43:20,190
everyday objects where there may not be

966
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:23,840
any that that are apparent how did you

967
00:43:27,590 --> 00:43:26,010
come to the realization that these

968
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,600
shapes were there and what was the

969
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:30,480
process that you had started so I was

970
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:32,490
writing a book I'd written a previous

971
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:34,410
book biological time which is a

972
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:36,540
chronobiology and I was studying how

973
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,090
plants and animals time themselves and I

974
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:41,040
came across the concept of solar lunar

975
00:43:46,310 --> 00:43:44,460
timing in migrations I look back into

976
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:46,320
the Paleolithic record in the cave at

977
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:49,890
Lascaux and I saw that there were images

978
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:53,490
of animals that were seasonal depictions

979
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:55,560
that had marks under them and typically

980
00:44:03,110 --> 00:43:58,050
dots and I correlated some of those

981
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:03,120
those markings to the seasonality of the

982
00:44:08,570 --> 00:44:06,510
animals and there was one image that had

983
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,580
it's a big mega la Souris which is sort

984
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,740
of like a she's a huge elk it's bigger

985
00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:12,480
than that bigger bigger rat than an elk

986
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:17,550
and it has this these huge antlers and

987
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:21,030
it's blowing the stream of of mist out

988
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:22,890
that you could see in the image and

989
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:26,040
under it under it with 13 marks and and

990
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:28,710
you account 13 from the from the first

991
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:32,250
the first first new moon count 13 you

992
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:33,780
come to the full moon which is when the

993
00:44:38,270 --> 00:44:35,250
animals were coming together to rock

994
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:38,280
which is what I showed empirically in

995
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:41,640
biological time well I put that aside

996
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,510
about 12 years ago and now that cut now

997
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:48,000
that is all pretty much mainstream when

998
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:50,700
I did it was I was a lows out there and

999
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:53,160
I started this other book and I was

1000
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,900
going to just continue on that same path

1001
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:56,640
and just include more caves and I

1002
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:58,650
recognized a few more things about the

1003
00:45:03,110 --> 00:45:01,920
Lascaux images and then I said to myself

1004
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:03,120
you know maybe I need to look further

1005
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:04,950
back in time and that's about the same

1006
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:07,730
time that the El Castillo gallery or the

1007
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:10,830
panel of hands with that red dot date

1008
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:11,220
before

1009
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:14,490
kay was was found and I looked through

1010
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:16,770
the cave and I saw that panel with the

1011
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:18,890
you know these eighty or so discs the

1012
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:20,730
the gallery of discs

1013
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:24,000
ten meters across it's huge and the

1014
00:45:29,570 --> 00:45:27,270
official account was that his only read

1015
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,580
discs but in the Paleolithic record the

1016
00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:32,640
most common character is the horse and

1017
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:34,950
it's typically a pregnant mare as we

1018
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:36,300
found ultimately found with this gallery

1019
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:38,700
discs and I said to myself you know on

1020
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:40,740
that in that ten meters there's got to

1021
00:45:45,020 --> 00:45:42,900
be more than these just these discs this

1022
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:45,030
is a huge flat panel so I started

1023
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:47,369
looking for the horse well I didn't find

1024
00:45:51,830 --> 00:45:49,290
the horse unto two and a half years

1025
00:45:53,810 --> 00:45:51,840
later I found the elephant right away

1026
00:45:56,359 --> 00:45:53,820
within within minutes I saw the elephant

1027
00:45:59,660 --> 00:45:56,369
I saw the teacher in the apprentice you

1028
00:46:02,270 --> 00:45:59,670
know ten minutes later I saw that the

1029
00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:02,280
line shortly after that within a few

1030
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:06,270
hours I saw maybe a dozen characters so

1031
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:08,460
the reason how did I see this when other

1032
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:10,770
people didn't is that I wasn't captivate

1033
00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:13,770
or hypnotized by these red disks I asked

1034
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:15,660
the question could there be more in it

1035
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:18,450
okay now this is um

1036
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:21,390
so there's nobody's smarter or less

1037
00:46:25,609 --> 00:46:23,490
smart than anybody else and this goes

1038
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:25,619
back to basic instinct nicholas

1039
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:27,900
Tinbergen won a nobel prize for his book

1040
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:30,660
the study of instinct and he had this

1041
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:33,330
how he came to this concept of other

1042
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,369
read was he had these sticklebacks

1043
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:37,200
three-spined stickleback so it's kind of

1044
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,240
a prey fish and they're sitting in the

1045
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:42,000
fish tank by his window and every time a

1046
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:45,450
red delivery truck came by the the fish

1047
00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:47,880
went into a defensive posture and since

1048
00:46:52,099 --> 00:46:50,430
the sticklebacks are brainstem dominated

1049
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:52,109
they don't have cognitive thinking as we

1050
00:46:58,339 --> 00:46:55,800
do tim bergen suggested that it's a

1051
00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:58,349
basic instinct and we've we've now

1052
00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:00,900
Madison Avenue of course have gone on to

1053
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:02,790
use that concept if you drive down any

1054
00:47:07,339 --> 00:47:05,400
highway you're gonna see stop signs

1055
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,349
we don't have green and blue stop signs

1056
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:09,119
because they blend into now al green and

1057
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:13,530
blue world you look at McDonald's and DQ

1058
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:15,780
and and Burger King they've got red in

1059
00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:18,359
them because it stops us it gets our

1060
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:21,750
attention and that's it's well known in

1061
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:24,090
the in the world of

1062
00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:25,680
Marketing and it's based on the work of

1063
00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:29,190
Tinbergen but Tinbergen didn't discover

1064
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:32,180
that concept the Paleolithic artists did

1065
00:47:36,860 --> 00:47:34,980
and he does this in other caves - they

1066
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:36,870
do these in other caves and what they

1067
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:38,250
were doing it was they were testing the

1068
00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:40,710
apprentice could they see the forest

1069
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:43,470
through the trees or in this case could

1070
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:45,000
you see the savanna through the doctor

1071
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:47,400
read disks and if you can't see the

1072
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,660
multiple perspectives

1073
00:47:54,910 --> 00:47:50,640
just as the Tuareg riddle of how many

1074
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:54,920
hairs is a man half how could you

1075
00:48:02,120 --> 00:47:58,140
spiritually lead intellectually lead how

1076
00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:02,130
could you be the the go-to guru in the

1077
00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:05,670
clan now so what one question that I'm

1078
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:07,230
getting in in the chat room is as you

1079
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,940
know we tend to take the Socratic method

1080
00:48:13,220 --> 00:48:10,800
here when it comes to conversation and

1081
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:13,230
presentations and I believe this one is

1082
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:16,050
actually coming from Dean who's asking

1083
00:48:20,530 --> 00:48:18,270
about the stick men with dots under each

1084
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:20,540
arm in all of the caves around the world

1085
00:48:25,310 --> 00:48:22,410
new theory is stating that they

1086
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:25,320
represents a plasmatic of plasmatic

1087
00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:28,680
events from the Sun is yeah I can't

1088
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:32,670
speak to that okay and there's all cave

1089
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:37,290
images are not based on the same formula

1090
00:48:42,490 --> 00:48:40,800
this guy or disc has a theme of we see

1091
00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:42,500
this hero's journey is in the night sky

1092
00:48:49,940 --> 00:48:45,720
all cave images don't have this the sky

1093
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:49,950
and terrestrial connection um so there's

1094
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,810
no generic answer okay

1095
00:48:56,060 --> 00:48:54,480
to any of it now here's here's an

1096
00:48:59,090 --> 00:48:56,070
interesting one because this has been

1097
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,100
done again you know the story of course

1098
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:00,960
we've seen Close Encounters in Close

1099
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:04,200
Encounters they have this dream of the

1100
00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:06,900
mountain and they the Richard Dreyfuss

1101
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,020
character builds up the cat the

1102
00:49:16,940 --> 00:49:11,520
archetypal character of a mountain which

1103
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:16,950
is Devil's Tower in the Black Hills and

1104
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,400
I believe that Steven Spielberg was

1105
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:22,740
study the psychology of people to come

1106
00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:24,540
up with that concept but he also

1107
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:28,320
correlated it to the practices of the

1108
00:49:33,110 --> 00:49:31,710
Lakota Sioux the Lakota suits from the

1109
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,120
spring until the winters but to the

1110
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:35,040
summer solstice traveled around the

1111
00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:36,900
Black Hills and they follow the

1112
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:38,070
constellations

1113
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:39,780
and the final constellation that they

1114
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:42,810
they stopped at as it as it came on

1115
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:46,410
first sight in in the Sun and this the

1116
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:48,540
final site that they stopped at was what

1117
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:50,220
we call Devils Tower which was their

1118
00:49:55,310 --> 00:49:52,200
Bear Lodge which is the constellation of

1119
00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:55,320
Gemini and correct so as we take this we

1120
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:57,510
take this the same journey the same

1121
00:50:01,580 --> 00:49:59,010
journey at the pillar that artist took

1122
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:01,590
at the end of it in the southern end he

1123
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:03,540
comes to the barbary macaque the lioness

1124
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:06,420
which is Gemini in the constellations

1125
00:50:12,140 --> 00:50:08,910
and that's a in that it's a Midsummer

1126
00:50:15,260 --> 00:50:12,150
time time period just which ties into

1127
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:15,270
the the life history strategies of these

1128
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:16,740
animals and their time periods they're

1129
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:20,960
all in June as Lakota Sioux did in their

1130
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:24,090
their ceremony that at the summer

1131
00:50:30,850 --> 00:50:26,370
solstice and their ceremony what is the

1132
00:50:33,140 --> 00:50:30,860
Sun Dance where they celebrated life

1133
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:33,150
suffering and what you can find through

1134
00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:36,450
that suffering which is eat you know to

1135
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:39,830
see to reach into the the great mystery

1136
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:45,480
now that's pretty heavy you see you see

1137
00:50:48,830 --> 00:50:46,770
this red curtain back here that's

1138
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:48,840
because my brains been blown up out the

1139
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:51,810
back of my head you know how does this

1140
00:50:59,210 --> 00:50:55,410
relate to the earlier cultures that were

1141
00:51:01,180 --> 00:50:59,220
within that area how did this I'm going

1142
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:01,190
to say how much was known about the

1143
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:04,740
tradition of teaching initiate this way

1144
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:07,170
is this something that we have any idea

1145
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:09,720
of is there any artifacts or well

1146
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:10,650
obviously they didn't have any writing

1147
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:13,500
at the time but is is this more of a

1148
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:17,160
hypothesis that's seeming to be looked

1149
00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:20,310
at or understood by you know

1150
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:22,470
sociologists and archeologists more or

1151
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:25,500
is this more of a fringe theory that

1152
00:51:30,260 --> 00:51:28,830
that people are dismissing well I've

1153
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:30,270
just put this thing back almost thirty

1154
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:31,730
thousand years and what we've previously

1155
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:34,170
recognized okay

1156
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:37,680
the partly so the list in the Lascaux

1157
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:39,180
cave there was work which is about

1158
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:41,900
17,000 years ago a French astronomer

1159
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:44,760
Chantal was a friend of mine did work

1160
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:48,480
and she showed that in the Hall of Hall

1161
00:51:54,539 --> 00:51:51,910
the Bulls which are all male animal

1162
00:51:56,940 --> 00:51:54,549
beings that they correlated to the stars

1163
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,950
as the artist at the the pale of the

1164
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,480
artist would have seen at the time kind

1165
00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:00,640
of goes around in a circle and she made

1166
00:52:05,339 --> 00:52:02,230
a documentary too that you can google

1167
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:05,349
that chantels work online so she showed

1168
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:08,170
she actually basically splattered stars

1169
00:52:12,569 --> 00:52:09,849
and it's and found how they they

1170
00:52:15,029 --> 00:52:12,579
correlated with the animal beings this

1171
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:15,039
is a little more exact in this case we

1172
00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:17,710
have the same adult beings that the

1173
00:52:21,620 --> 00:52:19,960
Greeks used for the same constellations

1174
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:21,630
at the same time of year and

1175
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:24,609
geographically they all align so is this

1176
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:28,210
a is a fringe theory I think everything

1177
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:30,010
is a fringe theory but when it first

1178
00:52:35,730 --> 00:52:32,650
comes out even among academics so is it

1179
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:35,740
being taken seriously I have a

1180
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:37,569
presentation on Tuesday at amis

1181
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,130
University it's gonna be mope it'll be

1182
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:41,200
translated or interpret into multiple

1183
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:43,210
languages sent around the world I'll

1184
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:44,940
tell you in two months

1185
00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:48,730
well what happened oh wow okay can you

1186
00:52:56,130 --> 00:52:53,230
speak to that a little more well we sent

1187
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,140
out on Tuesday well put on YouTube and

1188
00:52:59,579 --> 00:52:58,000
such okay and we put into multiple

1189
00:53:02,609 --> 00:52:59,589
language would be French Spanish and

1190
00:53:04,049 --> 00:53:02,619
Amazon as well as English oh well you

1191
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:04,059
know I was I was hoping to see if I can

1192
00:53:09,059 --> 00:53:05,230
get that one out of here I guess I guess

1193
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:09,069
I could no why don't their minds you

1194
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:10,510
don't guess complain or anything like

1195
00:53:13,319 --> 00:53:10,750
that

1196
00:53:16,019 --> 00:53:13,329
oh well I could you know I've got these

1197
00:53:18,809 --> 00:53:16,029
I've had these images posted on Twitter

1198
00:53:20,789 --> 00:53:18,819
Facebook and Instagram and so on I can

1199
00:53:21,390 --> 00:53:20,799
see who's liking sharing loving and all

1200
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:21,400
that sort of stuff

1201
00:53:26,970 --> 00:53:25,089
and the these people that are are liking

1202
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,980
and retweeting their major players in

1203
00:53:30,569 --> 00:53:28,720
this world of archaeology they can see

1204
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:30,579
the elf in the room they can see the the

1205
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,680
cosmic man and and so on it's a it's

1206
00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:38,079
it's not that it's we just didn't look

1207
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:40,270
and honestly I didn't look either I'd

1208
00:53:44,789 --> 00:53:41,950
seen that gallery of just image with it

1209
00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:44,799
with the with the dot streaming across

1210
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:47,380
now in trance or hypnotized by the red

1211
00:53:52,890 --> 00:53:50,710
so this is not you know I kind of came

1212
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:52,900
across it by a fluke I reasoned that it

1213
00:53:57,450 --> 00:53:55,359
would be there and then I took the

1214
00:53:59,640 --> 00:53:57,460
journey further and I found the same

1215
00:54:01,200 --> 00:53:59,650
phenomenon in other caves I don't I

1216
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:01,210
haven't that's not prepared on this

1217
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:03,010
slide presentation it's in the book we

1218
00:54:07,530 --> 00:54:05,410
can do it maybe a part to some time but

1219
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:07,540
there's uh this is not the only cave it

1220
00:54:14,070 --> 00:54:10,650
has this system or this schematic of

1221
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:14,080
images no it repeats itself oh well what

1222
00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:16,510
are the caves out there have this this

1223
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:20,590
theme of going to say altered or

1224
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:25,390
modified natural formations that tell a

1225
00:54:30,990 --> 00:54:28,570
multiple animal story well we're we're

1226
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:31,000
gonna that leads us we're about ten

1227
00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:33,250
slides away from that I understand we're

1228
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:34,900
gonna continue down that path in a place

1229
00:54:40,350 --> 00:54:37,750
you have not been in the book we want to

1230
00:54:41,790 --> 00:54:40,360
go down a little bit now you know I'm

1231
00:54:43,350 --> 00:54:41,800
ready to go down the rabbit hole I'm

1232
00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:43,360
okay Alice

1233
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,160
you really are down a rabbit hole now

1234
00:54:51,090 --> 00:54:47,920
your and your question you're

1235
00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:51,100
questioning yourself you're questioning

1236
00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:54,040
in front the primary literature but at

1237
00:54:59,760 --> 00:54:56,070
the same time you're questioning that

1238
00:55:02,460 --> 00:54:59,770
can Paila that man thirty four thousand

1239
00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:02,470
years ago have been some ways smarter

1240
00:55:08,490 --> 00:55:06,280
than we are today that I'm not

1241
00:55:10,830 --> 00:55:08,500
questioning I'm more questioning my my

1242
00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:10,840
own is that really there am I seeing

1243
00:55:16,050 --> 00:55:13,960
what I'm actually seeing is it real and

1244
00:55:17,130 --> 00:55:16,060
it's like one of it you remember well

1245
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:17,140
you're old enough to really remember I

1246
00:55:19,950 --> 00:55:18,850
know some of our viewers are are not old

1247
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:19,960
enough to remember during those like

1248
00:55:24,090 --> 00:55:22,450
real 3d images where you're like yo yeah

1249
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:24,100
it's it's like just a 3d geometric

1250
00:55:27,660 --> 00:55:26,290
pattern you hold it to your face and you

1251
00:55:29,550 --> 00:55:27,670
like move it away and then all of a

1252
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:29,560
sudden oh it's it's a it's a pony or

1253
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:31,810
it's a boy it was designed in a bottles

1254
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:33,610
were designed well those were also

1255
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,770
designed but yeah it's that same idea of

1256
00:55:45,090 --> 00:55:40,720
am I actually seeing this is there a

1257
00:55:46,830 --> 00:55:45,100
rational explanation I'm trying to you

1258
00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:46,840
know I can see it and I can see the

1259
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:48,520
images that you're presenting and my

1260
00:55:51,330 --> 00:55:49,660
brain is questioning whether they're

1261
00:55:54,030 --> 00:55:51,340
actually there or whether it's just a

1262
00:55:55,350 --> 00:55:54,040
trick of the eye and it draws me in it

1263
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:55,360
makes me more interested which is why

1264
00:55:58,980 --> 00:55:57,490
I'm kind of freaking out a little bit to

1265
00:56:04,470 --> 00:55:58,990
a certain extent because it's like okay

1266
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:04,480
I'm good let's you know I'm have started

1267
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,330
that journey and you know yeah let's go

1268
00:56:11,070 --> 00:56:09,280
let's go a little bit deeper yeah and as

1269
00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:11,080
I started this presentation out I said

1270
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:13,840
this is a psychological journey you were

1271
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:15,850
and what also happens is your your mind

1272
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:18,130
kind of bends a little bit as you work

1273
00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:19,390
in these images and

1274
00:56:23,009 --> 00:56:20,950
that you have to find this your mind

1275
00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:23,019
finds a separation between the red disks

1276
00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:25,390
and what's behind it and just seem at

1277
00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:27,670
some point as you go you watch these

1278
00:56:31,259 --> 00:56:28,990
images you're gonna be able to see

1279
00:56:33,509 --> 00:56:31,269
multiple images at the same time and as

1280
00:56:35,279 --> 00:56:33,519
you step away from it and you're your

1281
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:35,289
perspective and life is gonna change as

1282
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:35,680
well

1283
00:56:41,099 --> 00:56:38,410
so we're gonna you took that vape and

1284
00:56:42,089 --> 00:56:41,109
we're gonna well before you go on and

1285
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:42,099
one thing I know I know that there was

1286
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:44,710
one one question regarding the giraffe

1287
00:56:51,870 --> 00:56:48,430
and the interesting part is I've I've

1288
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:51,880
done you know I've done design and and

1289
00:56:55,859 --> 00:56:54,250
art for a number of years since uh since

1290
00:56:57,809 --> 00:56:55,869
I was a kid and it's like I can actually

1291
00:57:00,380 --> 00:56:57,819
see the giraffe shape and I can actually

1292
00:57:03,059 --> 00:57:00,390
see the shading of underneath the flank

1293
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:03,069
and you know you know behind the front

1294
00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:05,650
leg I'm like okay that like to me it

1295
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:07,240
makes sense to me I can actually see the

1296
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:08,410
image that's been presented even when

1297
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:10,839
it's not outlined to me or shown to me

1298
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:12,910
from what you're actually demonstrating

1299
00:57:18,690 --> 00:57:15,849
so I'm I'm getting I'm starting to get

1300
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:18,700
that that mode and in my head

1301
00:57:23,069 --> 00:57:20,470
well the drafts actually good because I

1302
00:57:24,690 --> 00:57:23,079
saw that the head of the giraffe within

1303
00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:24,700
the first few hours of looking at that

1304
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:27,430
panel I didn't recognize it as a giraffe

1305
00:57:31,470 --> 00:57:28,930
until a year later because I couldn't

1306
00:57:37,740 --> 00:57:31,480
believe that you could have an image of

1307
00:57:39,539 --> 00:57:37,750
a giraffe in Europe so I head up some

1308
00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:39,549
sort of a deer but to actually figure

1309
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:42,430
out it was a draft was quite some time

1310
00:57:47,789 --> 00:57:46,000
later so I'm gonna I'm gonna duck out

1311
00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:47,799
for a minute again and we're going to

1312
00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:51,700
resume our presentation like on the

1313
00:57:58,349 --> 00:57:56,309
okay we're we have a slide here the

1314
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,359
Saharan Tuareg

1315
00:58:03,269 --> 00:58:00,880
and on this journey by land and sea and

1316
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,279
throughout the night sky we've travelled

1317
00:58:07,170 --> 00:58:05,200
into the Western North Africa and where

1318
00:58:09,210 --> 00:58:07,180
we can look at the ancient peoples of

1319
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:09,220
the region one is the Tuareg who

1320
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:10,720
currently live in greatest the greatest

1321
00:58:15,749 --> 00:58:13,210
harrow region and who give us the riddle

1322
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:15,759
of how many hairs does a man have the

1323
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:17,880
tuara Graham Muslims of the Malakai sect

1324
00:58:22,769 --> 00:58:20,410
loosely following basic requirements of

1325
00:58:25,410 --> 00:58:22,779
Islam while still believe in animism and

1326
00:58:30,029 --> 00:58:25,420
other pre-islamic traditions and animism

1327
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:30,039
is the belief that the animals are

1328
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:32,230
beings are actually conscious beings

1329
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:32,920
that

1330
00:58:46,530 --> 00:58:42,690
mountains are spirits as well and

1331
00:58:49,350 --> 00:58:46,540
there's a Targa known for their the

1332
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:49,360
male's wear a blue veil whereas the

1333
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:51,130
women do not and the male's veil is

1334
00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:53,650
called at alchemists and that the male

1335
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,830
toga must looks very much like the mask

1336
00:59:02,010 --> 00:58:58,960
of the cosmic man you can see how the

1337
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:02,020
the shading works between the two so is

1338
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:05,410
is the cosmic man wearing a at Alamos of

1339
00:59:11,070 --> 00:59:08,770
some sort of a robe I can't say or some

1340
00:59:13,230 --> 00:59:11,080
sort of veil I can't say that but darn

1341
00:59:16,590 --> 00:59:13,240
these two look a lot alike and if they

1342
00:59:18,030 --> 00:59:16,600
had some sort of clothing in extreme

1343
00:59:20,580 --> 00:59:18,040
temperatures one would have thought that

1344
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:20,590
they wrapped it around their their face

1345
00:59:27,380 --> 00:59:24,160
to stay warm and we if you take a

1346
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:27,390
23andme DNA test and you come from

1347
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:29,950
background of the United Kingdom it's

1348
00:59:35,310 --> 00:59:33,010
gonna pop up top argh all over it and

1349
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:35,320
the toir goes to Hera genetically linked

1350
00:59:40,980 --> 00:59:38,170
about 8,000 years ago and the equal

1351
00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:40,990
number of miles today from the

1352
00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:43,060
indigenous Sami or lap reindeer herders

1353
00:59:48,420 --> 00:59:45,700
of Finland and much farther way miles to

1354
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:48,430
the hood of Siberia to say that their

1355
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:49,510
link means that there was a common

1356
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:51,670
ancestor who lived during this period

1357
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:54,130
but they were Tuareg that's the that's

1358
01:00:00,320 --> 00:59:56,890
the one we can find but that is not the

1359
01:00:02,340 --> 01:00:00,330
oldest and these these people are

1360
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,350
connected through DNA to people in

1361
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,960
Scotland to about 5,600 years ago so

1362
01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:06,400
toric had to have done a lot of

1363
01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:08,680
traveling around and there are multiple

1364
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:10,660
exchanges between the people of Western

1365
01:00:17,070 --> 01:00:13,510
North Africa and Spain questioning you

1366
01:00:20,490 --> 01:00:17,080
know who came first you know where did

1367
01:00:21,660 --> 01:00:20,500
where this this h1 DNA come from the did

1368
01:00:23,340 --> 01:00:21,670
it come from Western or Knapp North

1369
01:00:26,010 --> 01:00:23,350
Africa or did it come from the Iberian

1370
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:26,020
Peninsula the oldest Homo sapiens have

1371
01:00:31,770 --> 01:00:28,510
been found that jebel or HUD in Morocco

1372
01:00:33,450 --> 01:00:31,780
which dates to 300,000 years ago when I

1373
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,460
first started working on this project I

1374
01:00:38,070 --> 01:00:35,440
mean the jebel or herd work didn't come

1375
01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:38,080
out - just about a year ago and I had

1376
01:00:44,490 --> 01:00:40,380
basically figured out the whole thing

1377
01:00:46,809 --> 01:00:44,500
with without knowing that jebel our herd

1378
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:46,819
data and in modern

1379
01:00:50,919 --> 01:00:49,609
turn of Archaeology alternate history as

1380
01:00:52,929 --> 01:00:50,929
well in history itself

1381
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:52,939
people are asking that question well

1382
01:00:59,469 --> 01:00:55,369
what happened 12,000 years ago it was a

1383
01:01:02,919 --> 01:00:59,479
dispersal well 12,000 years ago is also

1384
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:02,929
the end of cave art in Europe and people

1385
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:05,599
don't talk about that but so it ends in

1386
01:01:09,370 --> 01:01:07,369
Europe and the people seem to just have

1387
01:01:11,999 --> 01:01:09,380
disappeared well the next slide might

1388
01:01:15,999 --> 01:01:12,009
tell us where some of these people went

1389
01:01:18,429 --> 01:01:16,009
African rock art starts 12,000 years ago

1390
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:18,439
it doesn't exist before then there were

1391
01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:19,910
people there but they didn't have this

1392
01:01:23,890 --> 01:01:22,189
rock art and art is something that's

1393
01:01:26,409 --> 01:01:23,900
within us but it's also a tradition or

1394
01:01:28,329 --> 01:01:26,419
technique that we carry among us and the

1395
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:28,339
oldest is the blue Bhalla period which

1396
01:01:34,779 --> 01:01:31,369
is abolished is something like a like a

1397
01:01:37,299 --> 01:01:34,789
cow it's a bowl and as you go through

1398
01:01:38,049 --> 01:01:37,309
you as you go through the the periods

1399
01:01:39,429 --> 01:01:38,059
and cultures

1400
01:01:42,819 --> 01:01:39,439
you can't ultimately come up to the

1401
01:01:43,929 --> 01:01:42,829
camel which is the present period so

1402
01:01:47,169 --> 01:01:43,939
what we're gonna do now is we're gonna

1403
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:47,179
take a look at some of the the Western

1404
01:01:52,890 --> 01:01:50,839
onap North African rock art and here and

1405
01:01:55,989 --> 01:01:52,900
these are not by periods but they're by

1406
01:01:57,549 --> 01:01:55,999
regions and or current countries and

1407
01:02:00,759 --> 01:01:57,559
these are all current countries where

1408
01:02:02,859 --> 01:02:00,769
the Tuareg are heavily populated and

1409
01:02:04,359 --> 01:02:02,869
this one we have we have an elephant in

1410
01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:04,369
Morocco and what's interesting about

1411
01:02:08,439 --> 01:02:06,140
this one is that the shape of the

1412
01:02:09,969 --> 01:02:08,449
elephant you look at the four feet in

1413
01:02:13,089 --> 01:02:09,979
the bottom actually look like fingers

1414
01:02:16,269 --> 01:02:13,099
and you could you can twist your your a

1415
01:02:18,489 --> 01:02:16,279
thumb to make that that trunk of the

1416
01:02:20,489 --> 01:02:18,499
elephant and the shape suggests kind of

1417
01:02:23,409 --> 01:02:20,499
a juvenile elephant fascinating image

1418
01:02:25,509 --> 01:02:23,419
and the next one in Morocco is of a

1419
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:25,519
rhinoceros and again if you look at the

1420
01:02:30,579 --> 01:02:28,729
how the artist does the the legs they

1421
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:30,589
don't really look like legs but they

1422
01:02:34,659 --> 01:02:33,049
also look like your fingers and he might

1423
01:02:36,459 --> 01:02:34,669
have he might have had some sort of hand

1424
01:02:38,649 --> 01:02:36,469
gesture or these might be some sort of

1425
01:02:41,259 --> 01:02:38,659
hands that rock art maybe some

1426
01:02:45,789 --> 01:02:41,269
description of a hand gesture which is

1427
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:45,799
what I proposed in the book and if we

1428
01:02:52,059 --> 01:02:48,650
continue down we're going around Africa

1429
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:52,069
a different part of Morocco we have some

1430
01:02:56,109 --> 01:02:54,049
stored gazelle and it's stylish

1431
01:02:58,899 --> 01:02:56,119
these images are absolutely phenomenal

1432
01:03:00,339 --> 01:02:58,909
they're they're in par what we find in

1433
01:03:03,579 --> 01:03:00,349
tell it's a palette

1434
01:03:06,999 --> 01:03:03,589
Europe these people were tremendous

1435
01:03:09,489 --> 01:03:07,009
artists and as we continue we go to

1436
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:09,499
Libya and Libya we find a crocodile and

1437
01:03:15,249 --> 01:03:12,319
we have to remember that prior to six

1438
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:15,259
seven thousand years ago the Sahara was

1439
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:17,569
had huge lakes and rivers

1440
01:03:20,529 --> 01:03:19,609
it wasn't the the desert that we see

1441
01:03:22,359 --> 01:03:20,539
today

1442
01:03:24,759 --> 01:03:22,369
and so these artists have telling us of

1443
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:24,769
a different time and place and one of

1444
01:03:29,529 --> 01:03:26,690
the ways that the the archaeologists

1445
01:03:31,450 --> 01:03:29,539
date the animals is by what animals

1446
01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:31,460
could have been present during those

1447
01:03:36,249 --> 01:03:34,190
periods and here we are now in Algeria

1448
01:03:37,509 --> 01:03:36,259
we have a hippopotamus so kind of put

1449
01:03:40,029 --> 01:03:37,519
this into perspective you can imagine a

1450
01:03:44,170 --> 01:03:40,039
hippopotamus walking around the Sahara

1451
01:03:47,170 --> 01:03:44,180
today it just blows your mind the Sahara

1452
01:03:49,479 --> 01:03:47,180
is the largest it's a tremendous area

1453
01:03:53,380 --> 01:03:49,489
but it's still the largest art gallery

1454
01:03:54,849 --> 01:03:53,390
in the world go to Algeria and this is

1455
01:03:56,339 --> 01:03:54,859
these are herders and this is a much

1456
01:03:59,019 --> 01:03:56,349
earlier time period

1457
01:03:59,289 --> 01:03:59,029
so this is not going back 12,000 years

1458
01:04:01,420 --> 01:03:59,299
ago

1459
01:04:04,450 --> 01:04:01,430
probably you know within the last four

1460
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:04,460
last four or five thousand years but

1461
01:04:09,729 --> 01:04:06,650
again we see we have see absolutely

1462
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:09,739
beautiful images that people made

1463
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:12,890
through artistic talent and a feeling

1464
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,410
for nature and we go to Nigeria as

1465
01:04:21,489 --> 01:04:17,839
people share assay it and we see this

1466
01:04:23,709 --> 01:04:21,499
huge life side's giraffe and in the

1467
01:04:27,849 --> 01:04:23,719
gallery or disks that giraffe it's ten

1468
01:04:30,910 --> 01:04:27,859
meters across the the mother giraffe is

1469
01:04:32,289 --> 01:04:30,920
life-size we kind of put that into

1470
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:32,299
perspective some of the other animals

1471
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:35,839
like the Lynx are huge in the story but

1472
01:04:43,959 --> 01:04:39,200
in fact they are on that panel but that

1473
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:43,969
the giraffe itself is life-size wow yeah

1474
01:04:48,459 --> 01:04:45,710
and and this what this one in this year

1475
01:04:51,549 --> 01:04:48,469
as well so we're carrying is a tradition

1476
01:04:55,209 --> 01:04:51,559
that's carried on that I believe from

1477
01:04:57,479 --> 01:04:55,219
Europe into Western North Africa and

1478
01:05:02,259 --> 01:04:57,489
continuing to Nigeria we see more

1479
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:02,269
giraffes and perhaps an elephant and you

1480
01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:05,210
know there's these people that in the

1481
01:05:10,509 --> 01:05:07,729
world in the mind of the animist the the

1482
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:10,519
animals are just not something that they

1483
01:05:14,299 --> 01:05:13,729
they hunted they were their beings that

1484
01:05:17,449 --> 01:05:14,309
they

1485
01:05:19,999 --> 01:05:17,459
with and then in tradition of both the

1486
01:05:21,799 --> 01:05:20,009
the Tuareg in the Sahara as well as

1487
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:21,809
hunter-gatherers in North America they

1488
01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:24,089
tell stories of the North Americans the

1489
01:05:29,509 --> 01:05:26,729
beaver chatting with the rabbit and the

1490
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:29,519
coyote telling the the elk what to do

1491
01:05:34,429 --> 01:05:31,920
and that the coyote is a trickster and

1492
01:05:39,620 --> 01:05:34,439
the rich and and in the Alaskan

1493
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:39,630
tradition it's the it's the Raven or the

1494
01:05:46,729 --> 01:05:42,390
some sort of an eagle so these animals

1495
01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:46,739
are the metaphorical characters that

1496
01:05:50,660 --> 01:05:48,689
people are using in the stories so in

1497
01:05:53,209 --> 01:05:50,670
the in the gallery of disks we found all

1498
01:05:55,819 --> 01:05:53,219
those animals but they're they're

1499
01:05:57,709 --> 01:05:55,829
metaphors for a geography of the region

1500
01:06:00,079 --> 01:05:57,719
and I once again suggest that they're

1501
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:00,089
all also metaphors as part of some sort

1502
01:06:06,670 --> 01:06:03,569
of story that the that was encountered

1503
01:06:08,779 --> 01:06:06,680
by the the apprentice on his travels and

1504
01:06:12,109 --> 01:06:08,789
continues to now share we find more

1505
01:06:16,039 --> 01:06:12,119
giraffes and other animals and these are

1506
01:06:18,109 --> 01:06:16,049
phenomenal pieces of art that are they

1507
01:06:20,509 --> 01:06:18,119
they're telling about who we are and

1508
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:20,519
where we come from but we can see common

1509
01:06:25,429 --> 01:06:22,170
themes of what we found in the gallery

1510
01:06:27,169 --> 01:06:25,439
of disks again they share this is more

1511
01:06:29,779 --> 01:06:27,179
recent I can't tell you what these

1512
01:06:34,130 --> 01:06:29,789
people what these people are but they

1513
01:06:35,870 --> 01:06:34,140
are the impression of what the that what

1514
01:06:38,749 --> 01:06:35,880
people in bézier at that time felt in

1515
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:38,759
Nigeria don't do the Tuareg do not do

1516
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:40,890
psychedelic loosen genetic drugs they go

1517
01:06:45,229 --> 01:06:42,569
into a trance dance to find their

1518
01:06:49,579 --> 01:06:45,239
visions in the same way that 100 Native

1519
01:06:54,229 --> 01:06:49,589
Americans did in times past the most

1520
01:06:56,660 --> 01:06:54,239
common method of achieving a alternate

1521
01:06:58,910 --> 01:06:56,670
state of consciousness is through a

1522
01:07:03,499 --> 01:06:58,920
trance dance dance and secondly it's

1523
01:07:05,569 --> 01:07:03,509
through some sort of pain so the this

1524
01:07:07,849 --> 01:07:05,579
concept that you you can't make art

1525
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:07,859
unless you can do and this is doing

1526
01:07:13,459 --> 01:07:11,640
drugs is is kind of absurd and this is

1527
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:13,469
how I look at it you know you've got

1528
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:15,839
young kids and someday you kids gonna

1529
01:07:19,489 --> 01:07:17,400
come home from school and they have you

1530
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:19,499
know a D in a math test maybe not your

1531
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:22,650
head maybe a C right and perhaps the kid

1532
01:07:26,479 --> 01:07:25,049
says you know my I couldn't you know I

1533
01:07:27,950 --> 01:07:26,489
couldn't do this math test the teacher

1534
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:27,960
must have been drugs

1535
01:07:32,930 --> 01:07:30,810
they took when they made the test and it

1536
01:07:34,790 --> 01:07:32,940
just can't be done do you tell your kid

1537
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:34,800
well maybe you need to explore the drugs

1538
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:36,690
or let's try to figure out how we can do

1539
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:38,609
the math so there's an answer for you

1540
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:44,490
Chris as a new dad oh well yeah

1541
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:47,130
that's that's one aspect of it okay

1542
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:50,400
she's although she's she's quite fond of

1543
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:53,970
flute classical flute music Mozart

1544
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:57,930
specifically yeah and so that we go to

1545
01:08:02,839 --> 01:08:00,720
there there can be answers outside of

1546
01:08:05,660 --> 01:08:02,849
drugs and now that we have there's a

1547
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:05,670
method I've unexplored in ethnology to

1548
01:08:11,450 --> 01:08:08,720
look at the cave images as not a

1549
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,460
hallucinogenic vision but a story a

1550
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:13,200
story that we've been telling forever in

1551
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:15,210
the story that we still tell we tilt

1552
01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:19,049
today that the Greeks carried on and we

1553
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:20,580
can return back to this gallery of discs

1554
01:08:25,370 --> 01:08:23,370
and ask ourselves might happen how might

1555
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:25,380
the artists have found their craft and

1556
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:28,020
that this is the answers convent goes

1557
01:08:32,660 --> 01:08:29,850
into another question that you would ask

1558
01:08:33,979 --> 01:08:32,670
is how did it first come about well I'm

1559
01:08:36,530 --> 01:08:33,989
not the first one to ask that question

1560
01:08:38,539 --> 01:08:36,540
and and and neither are you were and

1561
01:08:41,300 --> 01:08:38,549
perhaps some new audience

1562
01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:41,310
Picasso asks where it all came from and

1563
01:08:46,610 --> 01:08:44,100
it quote from Picasso was it occurred to

1564
01:08:48,499 --> 01:08:46,620
man to create his own images it's

1565
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:48,509
because he discovered them in the world

1566
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:51,089
around him almost formed already within

1567
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:54,060
his grasp he saw them in a bone in the

1568
01:08:58,729 --> 01:08:56,250
regular surface of cavern walls in a

1569
01:09:03,110 --> 01:08:58,739
piece of wood one form might suggest a

1570
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,120
woman another a bison so this is Picasso

1571
01:09:09,559 --> 01:09:05,520
okay and he's trying to sort out

1572
01:09:12,019 --> 01:09:09,569
weirdest art first come from and how

1573
01:09:14,900 --> 01:09:12,029
does it continue on and so he says that

1574
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,910
man first saw these things in the rocks

1575
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,560
he saw something that looked like the

1576
01:09:20,660 --> 01:09:18,480
shape of a horse another that looked

1577
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:20,670
like the you know the butt of a deer and

1578
01:09:27,740 --> 01:09:24,480
he built on that and he saw them in the

1579
01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:27,750
clouds as well he saw them in the in the

1580
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:30,060
breeze he saw them in the you know

1581
01:09:36,260 --> 01:09:33,810
sticks that fell into the and floated

1582
01:09:38,180 --> 01:09:36,270
down a river he saw these shapes in the

1583
01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:38,190
natural world and then he improved upon

1584
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:41,190
them and it's it's a it's a natural

1585
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:41,759
thing

1586
01:09:47,450 --> 01:09:44,690
now here's nowhere to go back to Picasso

1587
01:09:50,059 --> 01:09:47,460
Picasso's first work of art of modern

1588
01:09:53,660 --> 01:09:50,069
order should say was in 1907 which was

1589
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:53,670
lead M de Avignon and this image is is

1590
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,920
the pivotal moment that creates modern

1591
01:10:00,110 --> 01:09:57,600
art there's no modern art before this

1592
01:10:03,050 --> 01:10:00,120
and what created it was those two masks

1593
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:03,060
that Picasso put on the women well we

1594
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:05,010
can find the origin of those two masks

1595
01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:07,530
at the Altamira cave and the Altamira

1596
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:08,820
cave have been discovered

1597
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,770
just before picasso mate a few years

1598
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:12,480
before Picasso had made this image and

1599
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:14,370
Picasso was said to have gone to the

1600
01:10:18,580 --> 01:10:16,410
cave and he came out of it and said no

1601
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:18,590
one does that people said it was a fraud

1602
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:20,850
that modern artists had made this

1603
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:22,650
Picasso came out and said none of us

1604
01:10:26,990 --> 01:10:24,210
could have made anything like this well

1605
01:10:29,810 --> 01:10:27,000
Picasso he saw this the metaphors and

1606
01:10:31,460 --> 01:10:29,820
the characters and these to what is

1607
01:10:33,950 --> 01:10:31,470
called the chamber of the bowls the

1608
01:10:36,590 --> 01:10:33,960
chamber of the horses in the Altamira

1609
01:10:39,500 --> 01:10:36,600
cave and he takes those two masks and he

1610
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:39,510
puts them onto the women in lleida

1611
01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:42,450
Avignon and he takes the the what the

1612
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:44,550
woman that's standing with the mask is

1613
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:47,580
becomes the lead mayor as he saw the the

1614
01:10:54,290 --> 01:10:51,840
the metaphor of the the image in the

1615
01:10:56,020 --> 01:10:54,300
Altamira cave this palliative image so

1616
01:10:59,540 --> 01:10:56,030
in some ways we're reliving uh passed

1617
01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:59,550
through the metaphors that had been seen

1618
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:01,260
before us these metaphors that are

1619
01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:04,800
somehow within us and this this is

1620
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:06,360
actually my interpretation of this is

1621
01:11:09,260 --> 01:11:07,770
the first time it's come at this has

1622
01:11:12,710 --> 01:11:09,270
come out I don't believe him the first

1623
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:12,720
person that's seen this but the common

1624
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:14,310
story out there if you google online is

1625
01:11:19,970 --> 01:11:16,800
that Picasso had his friend stole a mask

1626
01:11:21,860 --> 01:11:19,980
from a museum brought it home Picasso

1627
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,870
then used it to make these masks and

1628
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:23,280
then his friend returned at the Museum

1629
01:11:27,290 --> 01:11:24,810
well I can tell you what I believe was

1630
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:27,300
the Louvre if someone had found a mask

1631
01:11:31,250 --> 01:11:29,310
it's a Picasso if that mask still

1632
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:31,260
existed it would be sitting right next

1633
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:33,570
to the lead and I'll be known in MoMA to

1634
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,340
show that this was the origin of modern

1635
01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:36,960
art but no one actually ever found the

1636
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:38,820
mass other people have said that will

1637
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:41,610
may be found in African art well this

1638
01:11:44,540 --> 01:11:42,930
shows this image

1639
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:44,550
comparing the Altamira image till a

1640
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:46,860
damned Avignon shows that these are

1641
01:11:51,229 --> 01:11:49,650
exactly the same masks and your viewer

1642
01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:51,239
can look at them later more closely and

1643
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:53,580
kind of is the details are extraordinary

1644
01:11:59,330 --> 01:11:56,090
but Picasso

1645
01:12:01,459 --> 01:11:59,340
Picasso was borrowing than metaphor he

1646
01:12:02,780 --> 01:12:01,469
wasn't stealing art and he recognized

1647
01:12:06,260 --> 01:12:02,790
that there are commonalities between

1648
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:06,270
people the past and the future and in

1649
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:08,730
this case the he finds the lead the lead

1650
01:12:16,820 --> 01:12:11,820
mayor and we're gonna look at another

1651
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:16,830
Picasso Picasso's exploration and this

1652
01:12:22,340 --> 01:12:20,130
one is in the the the main horse in

1653
01:12:24,650 --> 01:12:22,350
Guernica the mayor the mayor and

1654
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:24,660
Guernica and we look to the to the your

1655
01:12:29,420 --> 01:12:26,760
viewers right we find the same horse and

1656
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:29,430
grote depend on pair and in the Guernica

1657
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,250
when Picasso made Guernica was creating

1658
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:34,320
Guernica he has this thing almost done

1659
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:36,810
and he has a different horse then he

1660
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:38,520
disappears for a long weekend no one

1661
01:12:41,300 --> 01:12:39,450
knows where it goes to some mysterious

1662
01:12:44,750 --> 01:12:41,310
weekend he's got a deadline to get this

1663
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:44,760
sent into the the exposition but he just

1664
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:46,770
disappears some people says he went to

1665
01:12:50,209 --> 01:12:48,540
one girlfriend one says he went to his

1666
01:12:53,390 --> 01:12:50,219
mistress and another says they went to

1667
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:53,400
his wife and so costs a lot a lot of

1668
01:12:58,970 --> 01:12:56,880
women is what life but I think that

1669
01:13:01,790 --> 01:12:58,980
Picasso went to grow a pair non pear and

1670
01:13:03,950 --> 01:13:01,800
he found that horse and he puts it into

1671
01:13:06,830 --> 01:13:03,960
his image and he calls this this horse

1672
01:13:08,260 --> 01:13:06,840
the he the horse represents Spain and

1673
01:13:13,580 --> 01:13:08,270
there are many of the characters in

1674
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,590
Guernica that represent animal beings

1675
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:15,840
isn't the metaphors of the animal beings

1676
01:13:22,940 --> 01:13:18,210
as well we're going to take another look

1677
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:22,950
at another Picasso work which is a

1678
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:25,260
curtain curtain design for a play in

1679
01:13:29,450 --> 01:13:27,330
this case he has this huge a be annoyed

1680
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:29,460
so think back to the palette the the

1681
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:32,640
cosmic man in the gallery disks we have

1682
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:35,370
the man behind the mask and we can kind

1683
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:36,510
of see we sort of chin a little bit

1684
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:39,810
underneath well Picasso in this case he

1685
01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:43,050
has this Birdman with these these these

1686
01:13:48,770 --> 01:13:45,750
kind of awkward legs and these big

1687
01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:48,780
chests and his huge strong arms and it's

1688
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:51,480
carrying a monitor and the in the

1689
01:13:56,810 --> 01:13:53,610
Paleolithic version it's actually a

1690
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:56,820
bearded vulture and there's a man it's

1691
01:14:01,729 --> 01:13:59,520
the this this headdress is actually

1692
01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:01,739
sitting on top of an human being

1693
01:14:06,860 --> 01:14:04,710
so Picasso borrows this one he borrows

1694
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:06,870
the metaphor and he incorporates it into

1695
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:09,360
his his work and people

1696
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:11,100
long ass Picasso where did where just

1697
01:14:15,140 --> 01:14:12,960
get your inspiration for this and he

1698
01:14:17,390 --> 01:14:15,150
said if I you know I'm not going to tell

1699
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:17,400
you because this is my secret

1700
01:14:23,180 --> 01:14:20,730
Picasso died a multi-millionaire in

1701
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:23,190
which is his heirs have inherited and

1702
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,570
he's a worldwide phenomenon and Picasso

1703
01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:29,760
had the vision to see within the

1704
01:14:34,910 --> 01:14:32,100
Paleolithic mine and that it was our own

1705
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,920
and carry those metaphors to the modern

1706
01:14:39,020 --> 01:14:37,199
times now I'm gonna tell you them about

1707
01:14:42,140 --> 01:14:39,030
the first one this this is this is a

1708
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:42,150
very awkward image and so the viewers

1709
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:43,199
right you're seeing the image we just

1710
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:44,850
showed with the Birdman you can see the

1711
01:14:49,459 --> 01:14:47,489
the the features there's nothing marked

1712
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:49,469
from my side and to the left what we see

1713
01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:51,780
is the the official archaeological

1714
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:53,580
historical version of that panel and

1715
01:15:00,350 --> 01:14:56,130
this was done by the abbe Bray known as

1716
01:15:02,419 --> 01:15:00,360
the father of prehistory and most of the

1717
01:15:04,580 --> 01:15:02,429
images that we have that are drawn in

1718
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:04,590
the path of art books are the records of

1719
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,130
this individual the abbe who died in 61

1720
01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:10,800
and he had spent countless hours and

1721
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:13,260
caves and he is the man okay

1722
01:15:17,570 --> 01:15:15,330
he is a historian he is the one we go to

1723
01:15:22,850 --> 01:15:17,580
for the information and you can compare

1724
01:15:25,490 --> 01:15:22,860
his his view of the the agonist a panel

1725
01:15:28,010 --> 01:15:25,500
with the one to the the viewers right

1726
01:15:29,419 --> 01:15:28,020
the actual panel and you know you kind

1727
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:29,429
of misses that bird man's head doesn't

1728
01:15:50,570 --> 01:15:30,320
he

1729
01:15:53,450 --> 01:15:50,580
congruent you still have that

1730
01:15:56,180 --> 01:15:53,460
overarching line in the mid way to the

1731
01:15:58,040 --> 01:15:56,190
left that goes from kind of like it

1732
01:16:00,830 --> 01:15:58,050
curves up from the bottom all the way to

1733
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:00,840
the middle and you just you do still see

1734
01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:03,210
the sweeping lines so yeah like I could

1735
01:16:05,180 --> 01:16:04,500
take a look at these two now I'm a

1736
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:05,190
graphic designer

1737
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:07,679
sure I've been you know like I said

1738
01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:09,090
before but I've been doing this type of

1739
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:11,460
thing and this type of doodling my

1740
01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:15,600
entire life and I could very easily see

1741
01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:18,780
that it's there are too many things

1742
01:16:22,990 --> 01:16:21,320
within the two images for it

1743
01:16:25,870 --> 01:16:23,000
for it would not have been inspired by

1744
01:16:29,260 --> 01:16:25,880
it it's it would be very uncanny for

1745
01:16:32,380 --> 01:16:29,270
that many for that many prominent lines

1746
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:32,390
and main lines within the design to have

1747
01:16:38,770 --> 01:16:36,890
it be a go just a fluke it's exactly

1748
01:16:40,090 --> 01:16:38,780
very very small chance so he was

1749
01:16:41,950 --> 01:16:40,100
fighting something so the abbeys

1750
01:16:43,450 --> 01:16:41,960
hypothesis was that this the pale of

1751
01:16:44,980 --> 01:16:43,460
that cables are all hunting magic and

1752
01:16:47,530 --> 01:16:44,990
there's only one other cave

1753
01:16:50,770 --> 01:16:47,540
let's go the so-called chamber of the

1754
01:16:52,180 --> 01:16:50,780
the Deadman which is fairly common 117

1755
01:16:53,950 --> 01:16:52,190
thousand you ago you've seen that one

1756
01:16:57,220 --> 01:16:53,960
the shaft of the dead man that has a

1757
01:16:59,890 --> 01:16:57,230
Birdman the abbe didn't want anybody

1758
01:17:01,630 --> 01:16:59,900
didn't want a theme of Birdman he this

1759
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:01,640
when he asked where does the Birdman

1760
01:17:06,010 --> 01:17:04,310
come from where where is the Birdman

1761
01:17:08,770 --> 01:17:06,020
today and of course that the bird man

1762
01:17:10,990 --> 01:17:08,780
becomes the angel the bird man becomes

1763
01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:11,000
this archetypal symbol this character

1764
01:17:15,130 --> 01:17:13,640
that was carried throughout time you can

1765
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:15,140
go through you can look at Glo Becky

1766
01:17:19,450 --> 01:17:17,600
Tepe you can look at all the major sites

1767
01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:19,460
you can look at Horus and Egyptians you

1768
01:17:24,460 --> 01:17:22,070
look at native indigenous people around

1769
01:17:27,190 --> 01:17:24,470
the world they dress up as Birdman it's

1770
01:17:28,750 --> 01:17:27,200
an out art everywhere but I'm off and my

1771
01:17:30,730 --> 01:17:28,760
suggestion is that the origin of that

1772
01:17:33,070 --> 01:17:30,740
goes deep into the Paleolithic and that

1773
01:17:36,330 --> 01:17:33,080
the ad me hate it because he didn't want

1774
01:17:38,530 --> 01:17:36,340
this concept of a religion of a faith

1775
01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:38,540
that these were these are hunters and

1776
01:17:42,340 --> 01:17:40,700
gatherers these were not people that had

1777
01:17:45,460 --> 01:17:42,350
a systemize religion and I believe that

1778
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:45,470
the abbe was actually hiding that and so

1779
01:17:50,380 --> 01:17:47,810
when we we look at history we have to

1780
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,390
consider that everything people tell us

1781
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:51,920
and everything that we read in the book

1782
01:17:54,490 --> 01:17:53,210
and everything that is a peer-reviewed

1783
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:54,500
and everything that is referenced and

1784
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:56,210
sourced and all these sort of things it

1785
01:18:00,130 --> 01:17:57,650
doesn't mean it's true

1786
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:00,140
it means that that was one person's

1787
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:02,690
perspective and you know the same we go

1788
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:04,250
back to the same concept of how many

1789
01:18:08,770 --> 01:18:06,770
hairs does a man have they could be

1790
01:18:10,750 --> 01:18:08,780
multiple perspectives and in the abbeys

1791
01:18:12,940 --> 01:18:10,760
view his perspective based on his

1792
01:18:15,010 --> 01:18:12,950
reality based on his religion was that

1793
01:18:16,810 --> 01:18:15,020
they were no bird bird men here there

1794
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:16,820
were no angels that that was a modern

1795
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:18,890
phenomenon that came out of Mesopotamia

1796
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:23,120
in Abrahamic times and so going

1797
01:18:28,180 --> 01:18:24,890
you have your question to how this all

1798
01:18:29,890 --> 01:18:28,190
came about and well we as I write in

1799
01:18:32,260 --> 01:18:29,900
this slide we individually project our

1800
01:18:34,180 --> 01:18:32,270
psyche into the cosmos in all the animal

1801
01:18:35,170 --> 01:18:34,190
beings in geological and meteorological

1802
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:35,180
found they

1803
01:18:39,250 --> 01:18:37,130
that are encountered when we look into

1804
01:18:41,170 --> 01:18:39,260
the skies we see bunnies and we see

1805
01:18:43,690 --> 01:18:41,180
elephants and we see them we see them

1806
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:43,700
twist 90 degrees will return our heads

1807
01:18:47,710 --> 01:18:45,170
and we it appears that they have

1808
01:18:50,230 --> 01:18:47,720
movements man projects just psyching to

1809
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:50,240
the causals we create angels we create

1810
01:18:54,700 --> 01:18:52,130
all these beings it doesn't mean that

1811
01:18:56,650 --> 01:18:54,710
they're there it's something that comes

1812
01:18:58,180 --> 01:18:56,660
from within ourselves that's carried on

1813
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:58,190
through these archetypes that we

1814
01:19:03,940 --> 01:19:00,800
recognize when the archetype is when we

1815
01:19:07,330 --> 01:19:03,950
see their archetype their encountered

1816
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:07,340
the myth emerges the story is told we

1817
01:19:11,170 --> 01:19:09,440
see that woman in distress in the

1818
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:11,180
gallery of disks with the with the

1819
01:19:16,030 --> 01:19:13,370
raised cheeks and the the grimacing face

1820
01:19:19,450 --> 01:19:16,040
and we recognize that she's not a happy

1821
01:19:23,170 --> 01:19:19,460
camper we can see the the tenderness

1822
01:19:26,710 --> 01:19:23,180
between the young giraffe wrap it around

1823
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:26,720
the mother we recognize that even though

1824
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:28,250
their animal beings we don't say that

1825
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:29,810
just some wild thing that's going on we

1826
01:19:34,990 --> 01:19:31,730
see a protective mode we see we have

1827
01:19:36,850 --> 01:19:35,000
that empathy and so we're seeing

1828
01:19:38,590 --> 01:19:36,860
multiple perspectives and Picasso was

1829
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:38,600
brilliant because he could see those

1830
01:19:43,420 --> 01:19:40,250
multiple perspectives he could see that

1831
01:19:45,460 --> 01:19:43,430
the metaphors of these animals which now

1832
01:19:48,610 --> 01:19:45,470
brings us back to the question this

1833
01:19:51,580 --> 01:19:48,620
forever question of how many hairs does

1834
01:19:53,530 --> 01:19:51,590
a man have and you've you know your few

1835
01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:53,540
of your viewers are you know they're

1836
01:19:57,490 --> 01:19:55,490
raking through their hair if they still

1837
01:19:59,020 --> 01:19:57,500
have it they're looking around they're

1838
01:20:02,020 --> 01:19:59,030
thinking you know you know you know is

1839
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,030
it as an average or is it how many I

1840
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:04,640
have and so on well the answer to the

1841
01:20:09,220 --> 01:20:07,250
question of the Targ riddle is one dark

1842
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:09,230
and the other light to reflect the

1843
01:20:14,770 --> 01:20:12,770
maturation of man in that same answer we

1844
01:20:16,750 --> 01:20:14,780
can see other possibilities that can be

1845
01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:16,760
found by considering multiple multiple

1846
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:18,350
perspectives and this entire

1847
01:20:23,020 --> 01:20:21,170
presentation today has been about seeing

1848
01:20:25,210 --> 01:20:23,030
multiple perspectives about looking

1849
01:20:27,250 --> 01:20:25,220
beyond what we what we we first are

1850
01:20:30,010 --> 01:20:27,260
inclined to do so how does the thinker

1851
01:20:33,460 --> 01:20:30,020
become the feel or how does the has the

1852
01:20:35,650 --> 01:20:33,470
the counter start you know considering

1853
01:20:38,770 --> 01:20:35,660
that there's empathy within the animals

1854
01:20:40,780 --> 01:20:38,780
how do we do all these how can we wrap

1855
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:40,790
our heads around all these sorts of

1856
01:20:46,030 --> 01:20:43,250
things and these ideas it's about

1857
01:20:48,939 --> 01:20:46,040
thinking out of the box and I believe

1858
01:20:51,699 --> 01:20:48,949
that the the journey of The Apprentice

1859
01:20:53,319 --> 01:20:51,709
was not just to to understand the

1860
01:20:55,870 --> 01:20:53,329
constellations to understand all the

1861
01:20:58,719 --> 01:20:55,880
animals and to navigate that emotional

1862
01:21:01,600 --> 01:20:58,729
and terrestrial landscape to go to

1863
01:21:05,859 --> 01:21:01,610
Africa and back again but I also think

1864
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:05,869
that it was how to become a more whole

1865
01:21:11,890 --> 01:21:08,449
person to become a better spiritual

1866
01:21:13,959 --> 01:21:11,900
leader and these people live for well

1867
01:21:15,969 --> 01:21:13,969
not individuals but remember these these

1868
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:15,979
these cultures live but tens of

1869
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:18,320
thousands of years we're struggling with

1870
01:21:22,270 --> 01:21:20,090
thousands hundreds of years at our

1871
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:22,280
current time and really thousands of

1872
01:21:29,549 --> 01:21:25,280
years since ancient Mesopotamia

1873
01:21:32,589 --> 01:21:29,559
and these people had a coherent ideology

1874
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:32,599
a spiritual traditions that has

1875
01:21:37,719 --> 01:21:34,729
continued in some parts of the world

1876
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:37,729
until today and I believe that this you

1877
01:21:42,910 --> 01:21:40,159
know this is really relevant in our in a

1878
01:21:46,449 --> 01:21:42,920
modern time that if we carry all these

1879
01:21:48,609 --> 01:21:46,459
archetypes within us only all the same

1880
01:21:51,219 --> 01:21:48,619
people you know whether someone calls

1881
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:51,229
you know an angel another person calls

1882
01:21:58,239 --> 01:21:53,570
that a shaman bird man another person

1883
01:22:00,489 --> 01:21:58,249
calls it a new key or or a cosmonaut

1884
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:00,499
we're all or we're finding these same

1885
01:22:05,169 --> 01:22:02,090
archetypal characters within us because

1886
01:22:07,419 --> 01:22:05,179
we come for the same place and and Jung

1887
01:22:09,339 --> 01:22:07,429
said that we carry these these these

1888
01:22:11,890 --> 01:22:09,349
symbols in our collective unconscious

1889
01:22:13,930 --> 01:22:11,900
they're inherently within us and as such

1890
01:22:17,229 --> 01:22:13,940
we we repeat history repeat the same

1891
01:22:20,410 --> 01:22:17,239
stories because they tell us who we are

1892
01:22:22,959 --> 01:22:20,420
and help us to express who we are so I

1893
01:22:24,939 --> 01:22:22,969
do our identity as a slide says is only

1894
01:22:29,469 --> 01:22:24,949
an illusion created by those who have an

1895
01:22:33,250 --> 01:22:29,479
alternative version of our origins so

1896
01:22:38,140 --> 01:22:33,260
there's a there's another good place to

1897
01:22:41,979 --> 01:22:38,150
stop and you can you could ponder for a

1898
01:22:43,299 --> 01:22:41,989
moment and give me your you know okay

1899
01:22:46,540 --> 01:22:43,309
well we're checking are you still that

1900
01:22:49,390 --> 01:22:46,550
crest are you I'm reading okay well this

1901
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:49,400
is it straight to dawn on because

1902
01:22:53,799 --> 01:22:50,840
obviously because I'm going on this

1903
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:53,809
journey with you here unless I've got

1904
01:23:03,170 --> 01:23:01,880
these images at least from what you're

1905
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:03,180
telling me this isn't just about

1906
01:23:06,500 --> 01:23:04,770
prehistory and this isn't just about

1907
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:06,510
ancient lost civilizations and this

1908
01:23:11,690 --> 01:23:10,110
isn't just about you know some some

1909
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:11,700
pretty pictures in a wall somewhere it's

1910
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:15,690
the it's it's the tribe helping to

1911
01:23:21,710 --> 01:23:19,530
develop people from you know from

1912
01:23:23,060 --> 01:23:21,720
undeveloped youthful minds who don't

1913
01:23:25,130 --> 01:23:23,070
necessarily understand the world to

1914
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:25,140
helping them using the imagery of

1915
01:23:31,250 --> 01:23:28,050
animals to help develop that person into

1916
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:31,260
a more complete person and at least

1917
01:23:33,710 --> 01:23:32,370
that's kind of what I'm getting from

1918
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:33,720
this it's like that person single cable

1919
01:23:38,150 --> 01:23:35,970
here are the different aspects of the

1920
01:23:39,710 --> 01:23:38,160
designs and it makes people think it

1921
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:39,720
makes people try and look at themselves

1922
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,330
as individuals and you know even for

1923
01:23:46,660 --> 01:23:44,000
myself I'm looking at this and I'm I'm

1924
01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:46,670
realizing how deep that rabbit hole goes

1925
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:51,780
it's it's like it's deep it's really

1926
01:23:59,450 --> 01:23:54,050
it's it's you know antediluvian

1927
01:24:00,410 --> 01:23:59,460
psychology essentially or like it's it's

1928
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:00,420
like when you're in high school you've

1929
01:24:03,650 --> 01:24:02,130
got the guidance counselor but basically

1930
01:24:04,940 --> 01:24:03,660
this like the shaman was acting it's

1931
01:24:07,190 --> 01:24:04,950
like the school guidance counselor at

1932
01:24:09,170 --> 01:24:07,200
that point to try and try and teach

1933
01:24:10,670 --> 01:24:09,180
people more about the world more about

1934
01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:10,680
themselves so that they're not complete

1935
01:24:13,190 --> 01:24:12,150
or they're not just you know

1936
01:24:16,010 --> 01:24:13,200
that there's more to the world than just

1937
01:24:17,870 --> 01:24:16,020
themselves it's more than just you there

1938
01:24:20,620 --> 01:24:17,880
are other beings in this world that

1939
01:24:22,780 --> 01:24:20,630
deserve your consideration in regard and

1940
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:22,790
you know you were talking about

1941
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:24,690
archetypes and how that at the end of

1942
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:25,770
the day we can you know how how many

1943
01:24:30,230 --> 01:24:27,930
hairs are on a man's head you said well

1944
01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:30,240
okay well that's that's the the question

1945
01:24:33,230 --> 01:24:31,710
our den mother

1946
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:33,240
you know that's which is a very apropos

1947
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:34,890
name if you'd like to say the

1948
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:37,020
considering there is a line figure

1949
01:24:42,820 --> 01:24:39,210
within within the larger image as you

1950
01:24:45,710 --> 01:24:42,830
pointed out her answer was all of them

1951
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:45,720
was good I like that and that's so it's

1952
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:47,550
an alternative perspective it's not you

1953
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:49,050
know trying to count the hairs or

1954
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:50,730
average 10 people or whatever it is

1955
01:24:57,470 --> 01:24:54,510
that's good so like I'm like I came into

1956
01:24:58,850 --> 01:24:57,480
this with the surface expectation of

1957
01:25:00,770 --> 01:24:58,860
okay well like for her to learn how this

1958
01:25:02,060 --> 01:25:00,780
ruler know this like connected to

1959
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:02,070
the Sphinx in like we're gonna talk

1960
01:25:08,060 --> 01:25:05,010
maybe about lantus as like no this is so

1961
01:25:09,650 --> 01:25:08,070
much deeper and it's like I'm actually

1962
01:25:10,970 --> 01:25:09,660
kind of excited here in like you know to

1963
01:25:12,620 --> 01:25:10,980
the people who

1964
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:12,630
early from this presentation like you

1965
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:15,930
guys missed out we're gonna hit some big

1966
01:25:20,330 --> 01:25:18,239
stuff soon workers start again now

1967
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:20,340
remember the second Star Wars movie The

1968
01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:23,730
Empire Strikes Back Luke is about to

1969
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:27,300
enter the cave and Yoda says to him the

1970
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:29,040
the only thing you bring into the cave

1971
01:25:38,630 --> 01:25:33,530
is yourself okay and Yoda is Karl young

1972
01:25:40,670 --> 01:25:38,640
George Lucas George Lucas borrows the

1973
01:25:43,370 --> 01:25:40,680
work from Joseph Campbell who borrows

1974
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,380
the work from Carl Jung and he built

1975
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:45,360
these these archetypal scenes the cave

1976
01:25:53,210 --> 01:25:49,050
that he goes into and Luke goes into the

1977
01:25:55,460 --> 01:25:53,220
cave and he starts battling with Darth

1978
01:25:57,770 --> 01:25:55,470
Vader and ultimately lobs off his head

1979
01:26:00,979 --> 01:25:57,780
and with and in the helmet he sees as

1980
01:26:02,450 --> 01:26:00,989
his own face okay and so with fighting

1981
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:02,460
is the same sort of archetypal

1982
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:04,770
characters going deep into the cave I

1983
01:26:08,900 --> 01:26:07,320
did a I did a program a podcast with

1984
01:26:12,020 --> 01:26:08,910
Bernhard Alvarez who had shamanic

1985
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:12,030
training and he said to me that when he

1986
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:13,290
went on his Vision Quest

1987
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:15,210
he couldn't reach that place and his

1988
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:17,730
shamanic teacher said to him look deep

1989
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:19,890
into a hole look deep into a dark hole

1990
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:23,010
and in that dark hole you'll find

1991
01:26:27,770 --> 01:26:26,010
yourself just as Jung did when he walked

1992
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:27,780
through the the hallway into the finally

1993
01:26:35,180 --> 01:26:31,410
into the cave and as Luke Skywalker did

1994
01:26:37,850 --> 01:26:35,190
as he walked as he went into the that

1995
01:26:41,660 --> 01:26:37,860
cave and the story of course of Luke

1996
01:26:46,570 --> 01:26:41,670
Skywalker is about George Lucas Darth

1997
01:26:52,970 --> 01:26:49,370
Lucas is struggling with his father

1998
01:26:54,979 --> 01:26:52,980
about what will be his path in life and

1999
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:54,989
his father once didn't have a 95 job

2000
01:26:58,280 --> 01:26:56,400
work for a big corporation all that sort

2001
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,290
of stuff but Lucas wants to travel the

2002
01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:00,480
Stars he wants to tell this grand myth

2003
01:27:05,180 --> 01:27:03,540
this story and that's what the that's

2004
01:27:08,090 --> 01:27:05,190
what this that's what Star Wars is about

2005
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,100
it's the relationships in George Lucas's

2006
01:27:14,420 --> 01:27:10,320
life that he's portraying through these

2007
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:14,430
characters that we that we see and it's

2008
01:27:20,170 --> 01:27:17,370
a lot more fun to hear the story of Luke

2009
01:27:23,429 --> 01:27:20,180
Skywalker that it is of a battle between

2010
01:27:25,469 --> 01:27:23,439
Lucas and the father

2011
01:27:27,689 --> 01:27:25,479
and I believe that we've been telling

2012
01:27:30,209 --> 01:27:27,699
these stories for tens of thousands of

2013
01:27:33,870 --> 01:27:30,219
years because they tell us or they teach

2014
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:33,880
us about ourselves and and there's so

2015
01:27:39,659 --> 01:27:36,249
many stories like that of course the

2016
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:39,669
Frodo in Lord of the Rings his his

2017
01:27:43,739 --> 01:27:42,880
nemesis is Gollum but if he kills who

2018
01:27:45,929 --> 01:27:43,749
wants to kill him

2019
01:27:48,299 --> 01:27:45,939
but if he kills Gollum he becomes Gollum

2020
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:48,309
and that's why he can't do it if he

2021
01:27:51,689 --> 01:27:49,689
can't give him the ring but he can't

2022
01:27:53,759 --> 01:27:51,699
kill him kill him either and in the end

2023
01:27:56,909 --> 01:27:53,769
goal of course everybody seen the movie

2024
01:28:00,209 --> 01:27:56,919
by this time Gollum in his own greed

2025
01:28:02,879 --> 01:28:00,219
falls into the fire at the mountain at

2026
01:28:04,409 --> 01:28:02,889
the cosmic mountain and so you're ready

2027
01:28:07,620 --> 01:28:04,419
to go out for more slides or you're

2028
01:28:11,790 --> 01:28:07,630
gonna you want to ponder another moment

2029
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:11,800
or two I just only just sent a graph

2030
01:28:15,810 --> 01:28:13,570
yeah well let me just prepare myself to

2031
01:28:17,819 --> 01:28:15,820
go back into the cave for once more into

2032
01:28:20,969 --> 01:28:17,829
the breach as they say well you know

2033
01:28:23,699 --> 01:28:20,979
where this is a this is only the

2034
01:28:25,229 --> 01:28:23,709
beginning of the journey you know times

2035
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:25,239
about to end for us probably up 15

2036
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:27,760
minutes or so well but we're well really

2037
01:28:32,339 --> 01:28:30,400
it's early part of the journey and we

2038
01:28:34,319 --> 01:28:32,349
need to need to another show well you

2039
01:28:37,949 --> 01:28:34,329
know we'll we'll go through the next the

2040
01:28:39,379 --> 01:28:37,959
next slide and again well well well

2041
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:39,389
we'll make it to the end on this one

2042
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:41,650
okay double click on that we'll go back

2043
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:49,920
that to the cave we saw those lions we

2044
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:53,050
saw the lioness and a duck out here so

2045
01:29:00,480 --> 01:28:56,650
people aren't distracted in here we see

2046
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:00,490
the lioness reaching up to the lion he's

2047
01:29:05,370 --> 01:29:01,930
at the top of the panel as one would

2048
01:29:07,050 --> 01:29:05,380
expect a lion to be and he's you know

2049
01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:07,060
he's crouched there you can see his two

2050
01:29:12,570 --> 01:29:09,220
paws sticking out and you can see his

2051
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:12,580
rear leg kind of horizontal along those

2052
01:29:21,390 --> 01:29:17,850
long that line we're gonna step over to

2053
01:29:23,970 --> 01:29:21,400
another large carnivore which runs runs

2054
01:29:26,010 --> 01:29:23,980
runs on that image and this is a

2055
01:29:28,260 --> 01:29:26,020
mythical animal this animal does not

2056
01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:28,270
exist kind of looks like a cheetah but

2057
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:30,220
there's a cheetah in this image that's

2058
01:29:35,850 --> 01:29:33,370
very exact has distinct tear marks that

2059
01:29:41,460 --> 01:29:35,860
this this animal doesn't have but it's a

2060
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:41,470
spotted animal and he has an awkward

2061
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:45,040
looking face so when I when I first saw

2062
01:29:48,690 --> 01:29:47,050
this one you know I stared at it I

2063
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:48,700
looked it as that you know I've seen

2064
01:29:56,300 --> 01:29:51,850
this animal before and and it's not in

2065
01:30:00,480 --> 01:29:56,310
the record of big cats for sure and so I

2066
01:30:06,300 --> 01:30:00,490
compared it to a big cat that we do know

2067
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:06,310
and of course the Giza Spinks they're

2068
01:30:11,550 --> 01:30:09,280
identical and the difference is that the

2069
01:30:13,950 --> 01:30:11,560
large carnivore in this image is sort of

2070
01:30:15,570 --> 01:30:13,960
like sitting up but the large carnivore

2071
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:15,580
that the skiis of spanks is a

2072
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:17,530
combination between the sitting up large

2073
01:30:22,530 --> 01:30:19,930
carnivore and that crouching lying that

2074
01:30:24,270 --> 01:30:22,540
we saw there in the same place so the

2075
01:30:27,540 --> 01:30:24,280
Egyptians had seen this thing and if you

2076
01:30:29,820 --> 01:30:27,550
look at the has that the nemi's the

2077
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:29,830
enemies that runs behind the head it has

2078
01:30:35,190 --> 01:30:32,320
that distinctive tear mark term or that

2079
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:35,200
teardrop at the forehead has that strong

2080
01:30:42,090 --> 01:30:39,930
jaw and the Egyptians had seen this now

2081
01:30:44,190 --> 01:30:42,100
people have to read the book to find out

2082
01:30:47,730 --> 01:30:44,200
where this comes from where the artist

2083
01:30:50,130 --> 01:30:47,740
was inspired by but the Egyptians were

2084
01:30:52,410 --> 01:30:50,140
inspired by this image of this Spinks

2085
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:52,420
and I believe they had been there as

2086
01:30:57,930 --> 01:30:55,840
were the Greeks and that they this was

2087
01:30:59,790 --> 01:30:57,940
an original time for them they didn't

2088
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:59,800
really know how far back in time it was

2089
01:31:03,090 --> 01:31:01,600
they could take some guesses um you know

2090
01:31:06,380 --> 01:31:03,100
they knew it was more than thirty

2091
01:31:10,110 --> 01:31:06,390
thousand I'm sure and John Anthony West

2092
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:10,120
says that based on the work he's done in

2093
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:12,850
the research that the first time of the

2094
01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:14,320
ancient Gyptians was about thirty five

2095
01:31:18,090 --> 01:31:15,490
thousand years ago

2096
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:18,100
well this suggests that John Anthony

2097
01:31:22,410 --> 01:31:20,530
West was right that that Zep tepi that

2098
01:31:24,630 --> 01:31:22,420
first time of the of the ancient

2099
01:31:26,850 --> 01:31:24,640
Egyptians that they were drawing from

2100
01:31:29,550 --> 01:31:26,860
was from the Paleolithic and it's very

2101
01:31:31,290 --> 01:31:29,560
deep back in time and I've never met

2102
01:31:34,350 --> 01:31:31,300
Jonathan West I've never communicated

2103
01:31:37,380 --> 01:31:34,360
with him but I we sent him some images

2104
01:31:39,570 --> 01:31:37,390
and I hope that he he's in the frame of

2105
01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:39,580
mine that he can you know mentally

2106
01:31:45,570 --> 01:31:41,830
explore these and perhaps find what he

2107
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:45,580
was looking for his whole life but it's

2108
01:31:50,610 --> 01:31:48,910
it's you know I haven't I've done a lot

2109
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:50,620
of podcasts this is the first one I

2110
01:31:55,050 --> 01:31:53,290
pulled out the Sphynx or the origin of

2111
01:31:56,820 --> 01:31:55,060
the Spanx because I'm not I'm not

2112
01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:56,830
sensationalized in the Spanx as finding

2113
01:32:02,130 --> 01:31:58,480
the answer to everything I believe that

2114
01:32:04,230 --> 01:32:02,140
the story of the hero's journey and that

2115
01:32:06,060 --> 01:32:04,240
the earth and sky are one and that this

2116
01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:06,070
apprentice goes into the cave to find

2117
01:32:11,220 --> 01:32:09,310
himself and to set his own people you

2118
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:11,230
know society free is a much greater

2119
01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:14,890
story than finding a Sphynx and finding

2120
01:32:18,510 --> 01:32:16,450
the original Sphinx in the cave I do

2121
01:32:20,490 --> 01:32:18,520
that the Sphinx stories and is gonna and

2122
01:32:23,580 --> 01:32:20,500
you know isn't gonna last very long

2123
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:23,590
whereas the that there were intelligent

2124
01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:26,050
people in a very distant past perhaps

2125
01:32:31,980 --> 01:32:28,510
people just as intelligent and certainly

2126
01:32:34,170 --> 01:32:31,990
in words of picasso more creative than

2127
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:34,180
us artistically creative and that we

2128
01:32:38,610 --> 01:32:35,650
borrowed from these people from the past

2129
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:38,620
as picasso redid in his modern in his

2130
01:32:46,380 --> 01:32:41,530
modern art cubism which became a modern

2131
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:46,390
art of our own time and i'm gonna pop

2132
01:32:50,940 --> 01:32:49,090
back to one last slide which is the

2133
01:32:52,830 --> 01:32:50,950
course of cover the book and there's

2134
01:32:54,210 --> 01:32:52,840
lots of other if you don't want to buy

2135
01:32:55,950 --> 01:32:54,220
the book it's an e-book all over the

2136
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:55,960
place but you can find the images in

2137
01:33:00,570 --> 01:32:57,370
other places to explore of course you

2138
01:33:03,870 --> 01:33:00,580
can rewind this this image this this

2139
01:33:06,090 --> 01:33:03,880
video but before orion calm Bernie to

2140
01:33:09,420 --> 01:33:06,100
Twitter Brittany Taylor Orr so it's

2141
01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:09,430
hashtag before Orion I'm on Facebook as

2142
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:10,060
before

2143
01:33:14,620 --> 01:33:13,130
Orion and I've put out

2144
01:33:16,419 --> 01:33:14,630
any more images that I've shown in this

2145
01:33:19,930 --> 01:33:16,429
presentational I hadn't put out the

2146
01:33:21,879 --> 01:33:19,940
Sphynx one but you can the viewer can

2147
01:33:23,470 --> 01:33:21,889
you know explore the images they can

2148
01:33:25,060 --> 01:33:23,480
look at they can ask their kids and ask

2149
01:33:27,970 --> 01:33:25,070
their their partners and you know what

2150
01:33:30,129 --> 01:33:27,980
do you see and maybe put the person show

2151
01:33:32,590 --> 01:33:30,139
them first the gallery of discs without

2152
01:33:35,260 --> 01:33:32,600
the elephant and without the cosmic man

2153
01:33:37,629 --> 01:33:35,270
and the horse and so on and so people

2154
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:37,639
can take their own journey of testing

2155
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:39,650
themselves to see if they can see beyond

2156
01:33:44,860 --> 01:33:42,170
one reality that there can be more

2157
01:33:47,709 --> 01:33:44,870
answers to how many hairs as the man

2158
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:47,719
have then trying to average you know ten

2159
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:50,960
people in a room and I'm now gonna duck

2160
01:34:01,510 --> 01:33:58,000
back on to the back back onto the screen

2161
01:34:02,919 --> 01:34:01,520
so how does how did the the video work

2162
01:34:04,780 --> 01:34:02,929
for you Chris did you like that the

2163
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:04,790
video was fantastic and you know like

2164
01:34:08,590 --> 01:34:07,130
what when we first did the test on the

2165
01:34:12,970 --> 01:34:08,600
video Mike okay well you know you just

2166
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:12,980
had a your computer you know fixed up

2167
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:14,810
and there was a little I wasn't sure

2168
01:34:21,010 --> 01:34:16,400
exactly how things would have worked but

2169
01:34:24,910 --> 01:34:21,020
it was very very smooth the only thing

2170
01:34:28,330 --> 01:34:24,920
is that what this thinks the it is

2171
01:34:31,270 --> 01:34:28,340
possible that that image was carved off

2172
01:34:32,919 --> 01:34:31,280
or I should say I'm not sure how that

2173
01:34:36,510 --> 01:34:32,929
image would have related because it has

2174
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:36,520
been proven to a certain extent using

2175
01:34:41,110 --> 01:34:39,170
you know using forensic techniques that

2176
01:34:44,169 --> 01:34:41,120
that was carved afterwards it was very

2177
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:44,179
likely the head of a lion

2178
01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:46,850
some people are theorizing that it may

2179
01:34:52,020 --> 01:34:49,520
have actually been a statue to Anubis

2180
01:34:55,959 --> 01:34:52,030
and it was actually a dog shape although

2181
01:34:59,740 --> 01:34:55,969
you know I'm not sure how much veracity

2182
01:35:02,439 --> 01:34:59,750
that is but it's a possible that the the

2183
01:35:03,850 --> 01:35:02,449
people of Egypt who did curved that or

2184
01:35:06,610 --> 01:35:03,860
at least didn't carve it in that images

2185
01:35:08,260 --> 01:35:06,620
like we carved the head had seen that or

2186
01:35:10,300 --> 01:35:08,270
somebody had seen that that image they

2187
01:35:13,689 --> 01:35:10,310
revisited those people and said hey you

2188
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:13,699
know we said we saw this you know but

2189
01:35:18,780 --> 01:35:15,250
this is this half-man half-lion

2190
01:35:20,919 --> 01:35:18,790
and you know there was some type of

2191
01:35:25,020 --> 01:35:20,929
exchange or some type of inspiration to

2192
01:35:27,060 --> 01:35:25,030
recurve it at one point but is there any

2193
01:35:30,540 --> 01:35:27,070
what I'm trying to say is wasn't above

2194
01:35:32,729 --> 01:35:30,550
historical record beyond what is

2195
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:32,739
currently known that you can see or may

2196
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:36,639
even be able to speak to before that

2197
01:35:41,339 --> 01:35:39,760
recurving there's nothing there's

2198
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:41,349
nothing okay well there's nothing here

2199
01:35:45,330 --> 01:35:43,119
so these are the question use and these

2200
01:35:48,089 --> 01:35:45,340
are questions that other people can

2201
01:35:49,020 --> 01:35:48,099
explore there's me my I can guess that

2202
01:35:50,850 --> 01:35:49,030
there's gonna be a lot more books

2203
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:50,860
written about this right this is my last

2204
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:52,570
book because I finished my journey and

2205
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:54,730
I'm sharing my story which is much

2206
01:35:59,370 --> 01:35:57,520
greater than we explore tonight but

2207
01:36:02,970 --> 01:35:59,380
there's a lot of directions that people

2208
01:36:06,750 --> 01:36:02,980
can go as a whole playing field for new

2209
01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:06,760
young aspiring authors that it's

2210
01:36:10,490 --> 01:36:08,710
everything isn't 12th that based on

2211
01:36:13,229 --> 01:36:10,500
something happened 12,000 years ago

2212
01:36:16,859 --> 01:36:13,239
there's a much more deeper history

2213
01:36:19,709 --> 01:36:16,869
further back in time and you know we

2214
01:36:21,569 --> 01:36:19,719
that 12,000 year thing that you know all

2215
01:36:23,250 --> 01:36:21,579
of a sudden people from Europe travel

2216
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:23,260
around the world and told everybody what

2217
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:23,770
to do

2218
01:36:29,549 --> 01:36:26,530
doesn't really add up because Native

2219
01:36:33,089 --> 01:36:29,559
Americans have myths that are identical

2220
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:33,099
both celestial and oral myths that

2221
01:36:37,379 --> 01:36:35,050
they're identical to those in the

2222
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:37,389
Mediterranean and and in Africa and

2223
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:40,570
Native Americans came across about you

2224
01:36:45,450 --> 01:36:42,880
know at a branch at 24,000 years

2225
01:36:49,379 --> 01:36:45,460
so ago that came down maybe 16 into the

2226
01:36:51,689 --> 01:36:49,389
the Great Plains and that's all before

2227
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:51,699
12,000 years ago and we have you can

2228
01:36:56,399 --> 01:36:54,159
actually follow the line of myths I'm

2229
01:36:59,779 --> 01:36:56,409
going through what is now the Bering

2230
01:37:03,750 --> 01:36:59,789
Strait into Siberia all the way into the

2231
01:37:06,299 --> 01:37:03,760
Mediterranean so this concept of you

2232
01:37:08,669 --> 01:37:06,309
know someone landed on the shores of the

2233
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:08,679
Americas and taught everybody what to do

2234
01:37:15,299 --> 01:37:11,530
doesn't really stack up with the

2235
01:37:17,399 --> 01:37:15,309
mythology and there's work there I've

2236
01:37:20,250 --> 01:37:17,409
looked at these these pail hook images

2237
01:37:21,660 --> 01:37:20,260
and there's common characters that are

2238
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:21,670
in the Native American myths

2239
01:37:27,209 --> 01:37:24,489
Ursa Major as a bear as a she-bear is

2240
01:37:28,890 --> 01:37:27,219
common in in North America as it is in

2241
01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:28,900
the pale enough images among the Greeks

2242
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:33,190
and other peoples so there's there's a

2243
01:37:38,700 --> 01:37:35,489
continuous story that has been told

2244
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,710
sometimes it you know it gets separate

2245
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:40,000
a little bit and there's you know people

2246
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:42,370
have variations that you know that the

2247
01:37:46,620 --> 01:37:44,320
bear stands up with a bear lays down or

2248
01:37:48,930 --> 01:37:46,630
you know one you know it's a it's a bird

2249
01:37:51,300 --> 01:37:48,940
that chases the bear or it's a hunter a

2250
01:37:53,729 --> 01:37:51,310
human hunter but they're fundamentally

2251
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:53,739
the same stories missed and they're told

2252
01:38:01,530 --> 01:37:56,770
in the in this in the same manners that

2253
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:01,540
dates back to this a far distant place

2254
01:38:09,330 --> 01:38:07,210
and time and with this being placed so

2255
01:38:10,050 --> 01:38:09,340
far so far back in time and you know I

2256
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:10,060
know Jonathan

2257
01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:11,530
John Anthony West has proposed that

2258
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:13,510
potentially that the the sinks have been

2259
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:16,330
carved you know as early as you had

2260
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:18,610
actually stated which would have been

2261
01:38:27,209 --> 01:38:24,239
the previous age of Leo that common

2262
01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:27,219
common alternative history theories do

2263
01:38:32,729 --> 01:38:28,840
put it at which is around the time of

2264
01:38:34,260 --> 01:38:32,739
the last at the last ice age but these

2265
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:34,270
themes as you've mentioned it they're

2266
01:38:39,180 --> 01:38:36,489
found all around like all around Europe

2267
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:39,190
there are very similar animal drawings

2268
01:38:46,410 --> 01:38:44,800
that are shown in my chart behind in in

2269
01:38:48,690 --> 01:38:46,420
Asia and Indonesia I think there's some

2270
01:38:49,470 --> 01:38:48,700
of the Philippines that were found I'm

2271
01:38:55,229 --> 01:38:49,480
not even sure that there's any in

2272
01:39:00,479 --> 01:38:55,239
mainland China but with this common

2273
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:00,489
theme being shown in cave drawings one

2274
01:39:04,500 --> 01:39:02,170
thing em noticing and you didn't touch

2275
01:39:06,990 --> 01:39:04,510
on it which was the animal drawings

2276
01:39:09,690 --> 01:39:07,000
within gobekli tepe and researchers such

2277
01:39:12,810 --> 01:39:09,700
as Laird Scranton have theorized that

2278
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:12,820
they were teaching areas so you know

2279
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:15,130
this kind of at least even if you're

2280
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:16,450
proposing that was a shaman and I know

2281
01:39:22,860 --> 01:39:18,880
you're not much for the way out there

2282
01:39:26,340 --> 01:39:22,870
theories in in regards to alternative

2283
01:39:28,820 --> 01:39:26,350
history or ancient alien theory but that

2284
01:39:32,850 --> 01:39:28,830
common idea of teaching individuals

2285
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:32,860
about the Stars about cosmology and that

2286
01:39:36,570 --> 01:39:34,560
being related to the physical world is

2287
01:39:38,700 --> 01:39:36,580
somewhat of a connecting theme and I

2288
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:38,710
know for some people may be a stretch

2289
01:39:42,030 --> 01:39:40,570
it's just interesting to be able to see

2290
01:39:44,190 --> 01:39:42,040
that same connection that same theme

2291
01:39:47,610 --> 01:39:44,200
being stated from different perspectives

2292
01:39:50,370 --> 01:39:47,620
which is also a theme of this show in

2293
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,380
two completely different areas but the

2294
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:52,480
main common theme being

2295
01:39:57,090 --> 01:39:54,310
the animals being able to teach about

2296
01:39:58,350 --> 01:39:57,100
the physical world and correct in at the

2297
01:40:02,070 --> 01:39:58,360
same time also be able to teach about

2298
01:40:04,770 --> 01:40:02,080
oneself in the psyche so that kind of

2299
01:40:06,930 --> 01:40:04,780
blows my mind to a completely different

2300
01:40:10,110 --> 01:40:06,940
level because this is something that is

2301
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:10,120
being shown within very very similar

2302
01:40:15,870 --> 01:40:12,850
time frames you know the the twelve

2303
01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:15,880
thousand or earlier era from go back to

2304
01:40:22,770 --> 01:40:18,300
Taipei to thirty three thousand which is

2305
01:40:27,150 --> 01:40:22,780
you know another age another great cycle

2306
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:27,160
of the zodiac from there so the next

2307
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:28,690
question I have to ask is like did you

2308
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:30,130
just look at the paintings or did you

2309
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:31,449
look at the other astronomical

2310
01:40:37,500 --> 01:40:34,480
alignments for that particular area or

2311
01:40:39,630 --> 01:40:37,510
is that just not your area of study okay

2312
01:40:41,790 --> 01:40:39,640
have a few few questions and first point

2313
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:41,800
out that I knew that John Anthony West

2314
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,080
doesn't think that the the Sphinx is

2315
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:46,000
thirty six thousand years ago but rather

2316
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:48,489
the first time Zep tepi is thirty six

2317
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:50,530
thousand years ago from which the Sphinx

2318
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:54,489
was modeled okay that so he doesn't he

2319
01:40:56,250 --> 01:40:55,600
doesn't say that the Sphinx is

2320
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:56,260
thirty-six

2321
01:41:00,990 --> 01:40:57,730
he thinks the Sphinx is about fourteen

2322
01:41:03,150 --> 01:41:01,000
thousand years ago and I can't speak one

2323
01:41:06,780 --> 01:41:03,160
way the other to that but I can we can

2324
01:41:10,770 --> 01:41:06,790
say that the the timing of the the

2325
01:41:13,380 --> 01:41:10,780
concept of the Sphinx is identical five

2326
01:41:16,890 --> 01:41:13,390
thousand is very close to what we see as

2327
01:41:19,169 --> 01:41:16,900
an origin a pictorial origin of what we

2328
01:41:20,970 --> 01:41:19,179
now see is the the Egyptians pink can't

2329
01:41:22,919 --> 01:41:20,980
Spinks I can't say one it was actually

2330
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:22,929
made or and they were probably there

2331
01:41:26,910 --> 01:41:24,730
were multiple renditions of it and

2332
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:26,920
apparently they they ultimately somebody

2333
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:29,199
ultimately took this the face from this

2334
01:41:35,459 --> 01:41:32,650
palette of cave and put it on the line

2335
01:41:37,950 --> 01:41:35,469
from the Paladin cave and made them to

2336
01:41:40,830 --> 01:41:37,960
okay okay so that's that's one point

2337
01:41:45,180 --> 01:41:40,840
that's that's important so going back to

2338
01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:45,190
this concept of really so astronomy

2339
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:49,030
okay universe University allottee people

2340
01:41:53,970 --> 01:41:51,850
around the world we the first stories

2341
01:41:56,610 --> 01:41:53,980
were probably told by looking up at the

2342
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,620
sky and someone saw a Ryan the

2343
01:42:01,470 --> 01:41:58,719
constellation that looks like a being a

2344
01:42:03,810 --> 01:42:01,480
human being a man traveling across the

2345
01:42:05,939 --> 01:42:03,820
sea the night sky and seasons and said

2346
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:05,949
that he trekked you know he had that

2347
01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:09,130
his journey and then they put all the

2348
01:42:12,779 --> 01:42:10,630
stars are into it you know

2349
01:42:18,049 --> 01:42:12,789
Cirrus is a common star around the world

2350
01:42:22,049 --> 01:42:18,059
as either a dog or Canis Major the

2351
01:42:22,259 --> 01:42:22,059
constellation include Cirrus is a dog as

2352
01:42:25,589 --> 01:42:22,269
well

2353
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:25,599
Native Americans across the Mesopotamia

2354
01:42:31,319 --> 01:42:28,449
Africa it's everybody doesn't call

2355
01:42:35,459 --> 01:42:31,329
Cirrus a dog but a lot of people call

2356
01:42:37,620 --> 01:42:35,469
Cirrus a dog or Canis Major dog and they

2357
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:37,630
use different stars to form the rest of

2358
01:42:42,779 --> 01:42:38,639
the dog

2359
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:42,789
so the what I used for this is there's a

2360
01:42:48,180 --> 01:42:44,530
program called starry night Pro 7 it's

2361
01:42:50,189 --> 01:42:48,190
the same data that you know nASA uses ok

2362
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:50,199
but it's it's a public available

2363
01:42:56,100 --> 01:42:53,050
software and I ran the how that night

2364
01:42:58,830 --> 01:42:56,110
sky that showed you was through the

2365
01:43:00,600 --> 01:42:58,840
model of starry night pro 7 and we're

2366
01:43:02,759 --> 01:43:00,610
looking at what they could have seen in

2367
01:43:05,969 --> 01:43:02,769
the night sky at that time which is

2368
01:43:08,219 --> 01:43:05,979
identical to the pale enough image and

2369
01:43:10,169 --> 01:43:08,229
the stars through precession what kind

2370
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:10,179
of what the earth wobbles and stars go

2371
01:43:18,299 --> 01:43:13,360
up and down and you can you can time the

2372
01:43:20,129 --> 01:43:18,309
images you can time images to what's

2373
01:43:21,629 --> 01:43:20,139
available in the night sky and so

2374
01:43:25,259 --> 01:43:21,639
there's a combination of what the

2375
01:43:27,089 --> 01:43:25,269
archaeologists figured out by calcium

2376
01:43:28,410 --> 01:43:27,099
deposits that went over that they

2377
01:43:31,649 --> 01:43:28,420
measured through your urine a group

2378
01:43:35,279 --> 01:43:31,659
uranium technique as well as the

2379
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:35,289
astronomy through the NASA program and

2380
01:43:42,180 --> 01:43:38,650
we can reap we can refined the world

2381
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:42,190
that they had so it's a combination of

2382
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:44,320
things but people carry these traditions

2383
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:47,920
throughout time I'm not an ET person you

2384
01:43:52,529 --> 01:43:50,650
know there's a spectrum in the infinite

2385
01:43:54,899 --> 01:43:52,539
universe anything is possible and the

2386
01:43:57,330 --> 01:43:54,909
other end of the spectrum is that ET has

2387
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:57,340
been puppeteering everything that's

2388
01:44:03,899 --> 01:44:01,360
happened since then and I'm not on the

2389
01:44:06,469 --> 01:44:03,909
puppeteering end of the spectrum but I

2390
01:44:09,839 --> 01:44:06,479
recognize that many things are possible

2391
01:44:12,060 --> 01:44:09,849
even if I haven't experienced them and

2392
01:44:14,969 --> 01:44:12,070
that's a lesson that we all learn today

2393
01:44:17,609 --> 01:44:14,979
by delving into this cave that there can

2394
01:44:18,929 --> 01:44:17,619
be many possibilities even if they

2395
01:44:21,669 --> 01:44:18,939
haven't been

2396
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:21,679
scientifically evaluate before that the

2397
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:25,280
rest the world hasn't seen it but it

2398
01:44:31,689 --> 01:44:28,570
goes back to the power griddle the hairs

2399
01:44:41,139 --> 01:44:31,699
there can be many truths I'm even if

2400
01:44:42,279 --> 01:44:41,149
it's not a truth for everybody and yeah

2401
01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:42,289
I'm not even sure I'd be able to respond

2402
01:44:46,089 --> 01:44:43,689
to that

2403
01:44:47,979 --> 01:44:46,099
I'm just your whole program is about

2404
01:44:50,349 --> 01:44:47,989
finding the many truths isn't it well

2405
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:50,359
yeah I know but luring a possibilities

2406
01:44:53,739 --> 01:44:52,489
every so often a guest comes on that

2407
01:44:55,659 --> 01:44:53,749
completely makes me question the

2408
01:44:56,919 --> 01:44:55,669
paradigm of the world that I'm living in

2409
01:44:58,659 --> 01:44:56,929
it makes me question myself at the same

2410
01:45:02,199 --> 01:44:58,669
time that it's up to like it's like Oh

2411
01:45:05,500 --> 01:45:02,209
like did I just learn that and I'm still

2412
01:45:07,329 --> 01:45:05,510
looking at that multiple like I'm

2413
01:45:09,849 --> 01:45:07,339
thinking on like the multiple ways that

2414
01:45:11,949 --> 01:45:09,859
the image can be seen and how even for

2415
01:45:13,179 --> 01:45:11,959
myself when I was going through you know

2416
01:45:14,079 --> 01:45:13,189
there was a point in time in my life

2417
01:45:16,689 --> 01:45:14,089
when I was going through a very rough

2418
01:45:18,879 --> 01:45:16,699
time and I basically analyzed my life

2419
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:18,889
from you know from all different you

2420
01:45:24,939 --> 01:45:21,530
know all different angles and you know

2421
01:45:27,459 --> 01:45:24,949
that that same idea of trying to be able

2422
01:45:30,879 --> 01:45:27,469
to compare different archetypes within

2423
01:45:32,829 --> 01:45:30,889
you know within yourself and you know I

2424
01:45:36,129 --> 01:45:32,839
was able to basically develop three and

2425
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:36,139
you there were you know there was at one

2426
01:45:39,029 --> 01:45:37,280
point it say okay well these are the

2427
01:45:41,799 --> 01:45:39,039
three three main archetypes that I had

2428
01:45:43,299 --> 01:45:41,809
had identified as far as the

2429
01:45:45,729 --> 01:45:43,309
personalities I was putting out you know

2430
01:45:47,229 --> 01:45:45,739
one for myself that I gave to my family

2431
01:45:49,869 --> 01:45:47,239
one for myself that I gave to my friends

2432
01:45:51,369 --> 01:45:49,879
and and you know the fans that I was

2433
01:45:53,139 --> 01:45:51,379
dealing with in the music industry and

2434
01:45:55,179 --> 01:45:53,149
one that I dealt with just myself in

2435
01:45:57,279 --> 01:45:55,189
private and you know the idea of that

2436
01:45:59,520 --> 01:45:57,289
very tribal aspect I I called a three

2437
01:46:04,359 --> 01:45:59,530
tone Stoneskin there was those three

2438
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:04,369
different gradients of color that still

2439
01:46:14,319 --> 01:46:09,530
you know that had that I'd kind of used

2440
01:46:17,139 --> 01:46:14,329
to differentiate the aspects that had

2441
01:46:18,399 --> 01:46:17,149
been that had been presented and I knew

2442
01:46:22,029 --> 01:46:18,409
that there were different shades and how

2443
01:46:24,009 --> 01:46:22,039
the kind of you know overlapped one

2444
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:24,019
another and it took me a while to be

2445
01:46:28,419 --> 01:46:27,050
able to kind of stop doing that and it

2446
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:28,429
was one through that self-reflection

2447
01:46:32,530 --> 01:46:30,800
that and that self realization that I

2448
01:46:34,330 --> 01:46:32,540
was able to kind of

2449
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:34,340
mature emotionally and psychologically

2450
01:46:40,090 --> 01:46:37,370
as a young individual of early 20s into

2451
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:40,100
my into you know my mid my mid-20s and

2452
01:46:47,650 --> 01:46:44,210
that kind of shaped how I had become as

2453
01:46:49,810 --> 01:46:47,660
as a man later on in life and I'm seeing

2454
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:49,820
the same types of similarities and how

2455
01:46:52,660 --> 01:46:50,960
the story was actually told in that

2456
01:46:57,070 --> 01:46:52,670
heroes journey you were talking about in

2457
01:47:00,280 --> 01:46:57,080
that image it's it it blows my mind so

2458
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:00,290
much because these same psychological

2459
01:47:05,050 --> 01:47:02,960
tools that some of us don't even have

2460
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:05,060
necessarily have as individuals nowadays

2461
01:47:11,290 --> 01:47:08,510
we're being taught back then mm-hmm and

2462
01:47:13,450 --> 01:47:11,300
it's like okay well who'd like is this

2463
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:13,460
something that we can realize and self

2464
01:47:17,970 --> 01:47:15,650
actualize ourselves as individuals or is

2465
01:47:21,370 --> 01:47:17,980
this something that that people tend to

2466
01:47:22,990 --> 01:47:21,380
you know discover and it gets lost in

2467
01:47:24,970 --> 01:47:23,000
them it's taught within within our

2468
01:47:26,380 --> 01:47:24,980
culture or within you know let's say a

2469
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:26,390
medical field or you know some type of

2470
01:47:33,700 --> 01:47:29,600
higher learning center that people learn

2471
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:33,710
and is this a skill that is not being

2472
01:47:41,070 --> 01:47:36,080
taken seriously in society today and is

2473
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:41,080
that why we're kind of slowly it kind of

2474
01:47:45,850 --> 01:47:43,610
sinking back into the recesses of hell

2475
01:47:47,380 --> 01:47:45,860
as a as a culture like we're

2476
01:47:51,250 --> 01:47:47,390
technologically advanced but we are not

2477
01:47:54,030 --> 01:47:51,260
a high society anymore you know we are

2478
01:47:56,860 --> 01:47:54,040
very handy mystic we're very

2479
01:47:58,300 --> 01:47:56,870
narcissistic we don't care about the

2480
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:58,310
planet anymore we don't care about the

2481
01:48:02,830 --> 01:47:59,600
animals on here we don't care about each

2482
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:02,840
other anymore and it's a realization

2483
01:48:07,900 --> 01:48:05,690
that these people knew more about the

2484
01:48:10,930 --> 01:48:07,910
human you know potentially knew more

2485
01:48:13,870 --> 01:48:10,940
about the human nature than we know

2486
01:48:16,330 --> 01:48:13,880
ourselves with our flying you know our

2487
01:48:20,130 --> 01:48:16,340
flying machines and and instantaneous

2488
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:20,140
cross-continental communication like

2489
01:48:24,820 --> 01:48:22,730
this this is this is important to be

2490
01:48:26,290 --> 01:48:24,830
able to discuss not just from a an

2491
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:26,300
archaeological standpoint but just just

2492
01:48:32,230 --> 01:48:28,690
from a pure sociological standpoint and

2493
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:32,240
yeah like to me that that kind of freaks

2494
01:48:35,470 --> 01:48:34,970
me out a little bit it's the elephant in

2495
01:48:39,220 --> 01:48:35,480
the room

2496
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:39,230
yeah and so today you came to you've

2497
01:48:43,870 --> 01:48:40,850
you've read some of the book and you've

2498
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:43,880
seen some of the images but through the

2499
01:48:47,950 --> 01:48:46,250
night sky which you hadn't seen

2500
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:47,960
you've come to face the elephant in the

2501
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:51,770
room how come this was before us for

2502
01:48:56,290 --> 01:48:54,110
over a hundred years and millions of

2503
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:56,300
people have seen it in the media but we

2504
01:49:02,229 --> 01:48:59,600
didn't see the elf in the room and it's

2505
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:02,239
the first it's the test of who we are as

2506
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:04,090
a people

2507
01:49:10,120 --> 01:49:08,570
well okay so because we weren't have to

2508
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:10,130
wrap this up so I'm gonna try and see if

2509
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:11,449
I could segue out of this somehow I'm

2510
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:13,250
usually good at digging my way out of

2511
01:49:17,110 --> 01:49:15,530
deep philosophical discussions to to a

2512
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:17,120
final conclusion why don't you learn

2513
01:49:24,939 --> 01:49:22,370
about yourself I learned that if I could

2514
01:49:26,979 --> 01:49:24,949
learn if someone else can learn it it's

2515
01:49:29,500 --> 01:49:26,989
it's been it's been learned and whether

2516
01:49:33,070 --> 01:49:29,510
it was taught by a human or taught by

2517
01:49:36,490 --> 01:49:33,080
some as laird would say you know some

2518
01:49:39,700 --> 01:49:36,500
entity or some some being from you know

2519
01:49:43,390 --> 01:49:39,710
potentially from from a kind of a parody

2520
01:49:45,580 --> 01:49:43,400
universe of non material source it's

2521
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:45,590
it's still something that tends to be

2522
01:49:51,340 --> 01:49:48,650
ingrained within us it's it's inherent

2523
01:49:52,860 --> 01:49:51,350
with it within us as a species so that's

2524
01:49:55,300 --> 01:49:52,870
kind of the cool thing I learned today

2525
01:49:58,030 --> 01:49:55,310
we all have the potential it's just

2526
01:49:59,709 --> 01:49:58,040
about looking at multiple perspectives

2527
01:50:02,860 --> 01:49:59,719
being having our minds open to the

2528
01:50:04,660 --> 01:50:02,870
possibilities now the Chris and Chad is

2529
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:04,670
is stating that the promise that there's

2530
01:50:09,580 --> 01:50:07,850
so many elephants what do you see at

2531
01:50:11,500 --> 01:50:09,590
least and I'm not sure exactly how deep

2532
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:11,510
you went in terms of the the research of

2533
01:50:18,870 --> 01:50:15,650
the peoples or or the background but

2534
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:18,880
what do you see is kind of the main

2535
01:50:24,370 --> 01:50:21,290
differentiation yourself as far as what

2536
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:24,380
could have stopped us teaching this as

2537
01:50:30,010 --> 01:50:27,650
you know as part of our development

2538
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:30,020
process within you know within our

2539
01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:33,250
growing up as people when when we when

2540
01:50:39,070 --> 01:50:36,880
Europeans arrived on the American shores

2541
01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:39,080
these were the same tradition they had

2542
01:50:43,570 --> 01:50:41,110
the same traditions shamanic type of

2543
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:43,580
traditions of teaching the apprentice

2544
01:50:47,229 --> 01:50:44,960
going through this journey of self

2545
01:50:50,170 --> 01:50:47,239
discovery of the Vision Quest as these

2546
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:50,180
people had impale it at times so pale at

2547
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:52,010
that time is there is the root of of

2548
01:50:58,959 --> 01:50:54,850
what we've had we had in North America

2549
01:51:00,100 --> 01:50:58,969
and you know their therapy they were

2550
01:51:03,580 --> 01:51:00,110
valid

2551
01:51:07,060 --> 01:51:03,590
people traditions the United States you

2552
01:51:09,010 --> 01:51:07,070
you know people young'uns people who

2553
01:51:11,379 --> 01:51:09,020
read Joseph Campbell and mythology and

2554
01:51:15,609 --> 01:51:11,389
study from the psychological standpoint

2555
01:51:18,970 --> 01:51:15,619
they're out there looking to explore

2556
01:51:20,260 --> 01:51:18,980
that same journey so people do these

2557
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,270
things today

2558
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:22,400
you know Eckhart Tolle is a brilliant

2559
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:25,520
philosopher of a modern times who seeks

2560
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:27,530
to find the inner self

2561
01:51:37,209 --> 01:51:32,719
there's many there's many people who who

2562
01:51:40,750 --> 01:51:37,219
are seeking that and you know we we have

2563
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:40,760
the capacity to step into the cave as

2564
01:51:45,220 --> 01:51:43,010
The Apprentice did thirty four thousand

2565
01:51:48,970 --> 01:51:45,230
years ago and stare at those red disks

2566
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:48,980
and not see it but ultimately we can and

2567
01:51:53,500 --> 01:51:51,610
by seeing the forest through the trees

2568
01:51:55,780 --> 01:51:53,510
we can learn a great deal about

2569
01:51:58,840 --> 01:51:55,790
ourselves we can learn where we've come

2570
01:52:01,720 --> 01:51:58,850
from and where we're going as people has

2571
01:52:05,260 --> 01:52:01,730
a global society not just Americans or

2572
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:05,270
you know white people or you know tall

2573
01:52:11,530 --> 01:52:08,239
people you know whatever it is you know

2574
01:52:14,410 --> 01:52:11,540
identity is an illusion we're all of one

2575
01:52:16,899 --> 01:52:14,420
people were all the same cultural

2576
01:52:20,979 --> 01:52:16,909
background and we all have the capacity

2577
01:52:22,930 --> 01:52:20,989
to grow as individuals it's you know I'm

2578
01:52:24,910 --> 01:52:22,940
gonna leave it with with this it's it's

2579
01:52:26,620 --> 01:52:24,920
you know I'd mentioned it before I came

2580
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:26,630
in expecting some some archaeological

2581
01:52:30,910 --> 01:52:28,850
discovery and I actually came away

2582
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:30,920
learning more about ourselves as people

2583
01:52:37,540 --> 01:52:34,400
and you know in our psyche which is

2584
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:37,550
considerably more important than you

2585
01:52:41,290 --> 01:52:39,050
know the nuts and bolts it's not just

2586
01:52:43,810 --> 01:52:41,300
about you know where we came from it's

2587
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:43,820
who we are as people and sometimes we

2588
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:47,210
forget about that and i'm i'm strongly

2589
01:52:49,870 --> 01:52:48,290
gonna recommend that anybody that

2590
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:49,880
anybody check out this book the link is

2591
01:52:56,350 --> 01:52:53,570
in the show notes please do go read it

2592
01:52:59,979 --> 01:52:56,360
it and i'd have to go back and read the

2593
01:53:02,470 --> 01:52:59,989
rest of it myself just started the

2594
01:53:03,580 --> 01:53:02,480
journey oh crap it's i thought it was

2595
01:53:06,340 --> 01:53:03,590
still on it but it's like no you're

2596
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:06,350
still at the beginning so the the book

2597
01:53:12,379 --> 01:53:10,800
the book is before or ryan exploring or

2598
01:53:14,359 --> 01:53:12,389
you know front of the face surviving the

2599
01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:14,369
face of the hero and it's that this is

2600
01:53:18,890 --> 01:53:16,290
about exploring the hero's journey

2601
01:53:21,470 --> 01:53:18,900
so did written by Bernie Taylor it's

2602
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:21,480
available on amazon.com or dot CA or Co

2603
01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:24,449
dot uk' and you can get it in Kindle

2604
01:53:27,890 --> 01:53:25,920
edition as well if I'm not mistaken it's

2605
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:27,900
all it's an e it's an e books in all

2606
01:53:31,729 --> 01:53:29,489
formats it's an e books in all formats

2607
01:53:33,049 --> 01:53:31,739
so you don't have to worry about getting

2608
01:53:35,419 --> 01:53:33,059
delivery you can actually get it by

2609
01:53:37,010 --> 01:53:35,429
one-click purchasing it is a direct link

2610
01:53:39,799 --> 01:53:37,020
we do not use affiliated marketing

2611
01:53:40,879 --> 01:53:39,809
although you know I just for me it they

2612
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:40,889
say it's the smart thing to do with

2613
01:53:44,030 --> 01:53:42,090
podcasts for me it's just like you know

2614
01:53:46,430 --> 01:53:44,040
what I I bring stuff on the show that I

2615
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:46,440
think will help people and make expand

2616
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:49,050
people's minds a little bit so you know

2617
01:53:52,549 --> 01:53:50,639
the knowing that we can change people's

2618
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:52,559
lives that's enough payment for me when

2619
01:53:56,540 --> 01:53:54,960
it comes to that and helping get the

2620
01:53:58,189 --> 01:53:56,550
word out on what I believe is a

2621
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:58,199
fantastic discovery that'll really make

2622
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:01,199
people think I'm trying to think of what

2623
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:03,210
outro music I can actually use for this

2624
01:54:05,810 --> 01:54:04,050
one

2625
01:54:09,950 --> 01:54:05,820
scattered knowledge is unfortunately off

2626
01:54:16,220 --> 01:54:09,960
my iPad for some reason so I guess we're

2627
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:16,230
gonna go with let's see how much you

2628
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:17,280
know we'll use this one this one's

2629
01:54:20,780 --> 01:54:19,110
actually by an artist called Dexter

2630
01:54:23,959 --> 01:54:20,790
Britten and I think I've ever played it

2631
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:23,969
and the track is called waking up so

2632
01:54:33,870 --> 01:54:27,570
that seemed pretty apropos

2633
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:33,880
there we go ooh nice piano return these

2634
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:35,890
and gentlemen this has been the dental

2635
01:54:43,110 --> 01:54:39,850
floor episode 54 first broadcast on as

2636
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:43,120
the date says up there January 12 2008

2637
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:46,450
een and this has been a fantastic

2638
01:54:52,419 --> 01:54:48,970
presentation with Bernie Taylor next

2639
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:55,959
sit still there we go next week on the

2640
01:55:00,990 --> 01:54:57,920
show we've got Chris Christensen and we

2641
01:55:04,540 --> 01:55:01,000
will be discussing logos and symbols

2642
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:04,550
hidden technology and knock gnostic

2643
01:55:09,310 --> 01:55:07,610
masonry and then at the January 19th at

2644
01:55:10,990 --> 01:55:09,320
around 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time I

2645
01:55:14,589 --> 01:55:11,000
say around because we all know that I

2646
01:55:15,609 --> 01:55:14,599
never start the show on time but again I

2647
01:55:18,700 --> 01:55:15,619
want to thank you everyone and

2648
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:18,710
especially to a viewer out there who

2649
01:55:27,399 --> 01:55:24,650
during the show donated both donated a

2650
01:55:29,799 --> 01:55:27,409
clear scene out to the scene oh well

2651
01:55:31,750 --> 01:55:29,809
don't know hundra bucks for the show and

2652
01:55:33,580 --> 01:55:31,760
you're helping us build a better

2653
01:55:34,990 --> 01:55:33,590
tomorrow in the dental floor and I want

2654
01:55:38,709 --> 01:55:35,000
to say thank you very much to whomever

2655
01:55:42,189 --> 01:55:38,719
you are it is much appreciated and we

2656
01:55:44,410 --> 01:55:42,199
all appreciate your contribution ladies

2657
01:55:47,169 --> 01:55:44,420
and gentlemen once again thank you for

2658
01:55:50,830 --> 01:55:47,179
joining us have yourselves a wonderful